Resilience mechanic

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fiyah
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Re: Resilience mechanic

Post by fiyah »

Cube wrote:
fiyah wrote:In WotLK Resilience gives damage reduction from all sorurces.
Which is why rdruids would be quite hard to kill.
Not really, right now they are hard to kill because they can counter you with almost the same ammount of damage like yourself. And that is stupid.
Keep in mind that its about reducing the overall burst damage in the game right now. After all isn't it why they removed SWP gear in the first place? I still think the burst is quite high so I'm suggesting a possible solution about that.
And to add to your concern, if a fight lasts longer due to higher dmg reduction, it will cause some stress on healers also, because longer fights = more mana spending.
Cube
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Re: Resilience mechanic

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fiyah wrote:Not really, right now they are hard to kill because they can counter you with almost the same ammount of damage like yourself. And that is stupid.
Then you're either playing a healer, or you're doing something wrong. I can assure you that I've never met a rdruid who comes close to my dmg output. And when it comes to mana, healers have better mana management than most damage dealers who use mana. So it would screw damage dealers more than it would screw healers.

I understand what you're getting at. But the solution to the problem you're speaking of is more complex than just 'damage is too high, so let's increase damage mitigation'.
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ludvigpasse
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Re: Resilience mechanic

Post by ludvigpasse »

Damage output in relation to survivability is fine as is imo.
Zapcraclepop
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Re: Resilience mechanic

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Cube wrote: when it comes to mana, healers have better mana management than most damage dealers who use mana.
Tell that to a resto shaman... It's fucking horrible. Most expensive heals in the game, which we're expected to spam like a paladin, with the second lowest mana regeneration, paladin being the lowest (but at least they regen mana from critical heals and from heals done by someone else.)

Only thing they get to compensate for that, is more survivability versus melee and utility.
Hartun
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Re: Resilience mechanic

Post by Hartun »

Zapcraclepop wrote: Tell that to a resto shaman... It's fucking horrible. Most expensive heals in the game, which we're expected to spam like a paladin, with the second lowest mana regeneration, paladin being the lowest (but at least they regen mana from critical heals and from heals done by someone else.)

Only thing they get to compensate for that, is more survivability versus melee and utility.

I 100% agree with you, but how can they change that. The only thing that you can do is to use more pve gear as a resto shaman and that has its bad sides..
Cube
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Zapcraclepop wrote:Tell that to a resto shaman... It's fucking horrible. Most expensive heals in the game, which we're expected to spam like a paladin, with the second lowest mana regeneration, paladin being the lowest (but at least they regen mana from critical heals and from heals done by someone else.)

Only thing they get to compensate for that, is more survivability versus melee and utility.
100% irrelevant to the topic, and discussion at hand. But thanks for sharing this useless crap with us, as per usual.
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Zapcraclepop
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Re: Resilience mechanic

Post by Zapcraclepop »

Cube wrote:
Zapcraclepop wrote:Tell that to a resto shaman... It's fucking horrible. Most expensive heals in the game, which we're expected to spam like a paladin, with the second lowest mana regeneration, paladin being the lowest (but at least they regen mana from critical heals and from heals done by someone else.)

Only thing they get to compensate for that, is more survivability versus melee and utility.
100% irrelevant to the topic, and discussion at hand. But thanks for sharing this useless crap with us, as per usual.
You're welcome. Most of this drivel on here's useless. I am compelled to add to it, too bad. Why don't you use your multiple accounts to flame some more to bolster your post count? If you don't like it, place me on ignore. There is, after all, an option for that. Feel free to exercise it. Otherwise, deal with it. :)
Hartun wrote:I 100% agree with you, but how can they change that. The only thing that you can do is to use more pve gear as a resto shaman and that has its bad sides..
Nothing, that's how TBC was. Not asking for change, I was merely laughing at Cube making a broad statement suggesting ALL healers had better mana efficiency than dps. Which is not exactly the case unless you only play druids and priests. oh wait...
Cube
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Re: Resilience mechanic

Post by Cube »

Zapcraclepop wrote:Nothing, that's how TBC was. Not asking for change, I was merely laughing at Cube making a broad statement suggesting ALL healers had better mana efficiency than dps. Which is not exactly the case unless you only play druids and priests. oh wait...
In this context, ALL healers would get better mana efficiency than any mana using dps. But since you're fucking retarded, you obviously don't get that.

More damage mitigation = better healing efficiency = better mana efficiency

More damage mitigation = worse damage efficiency = worse mana efficiency

It's sad how you don't understand that.
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Deems
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Re: Resilience mechanic

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Zapcraclepop wrote:Why don't you use your multiple accounts to flame some more to bolster your post count?
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Zapcraclepop
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Re: Resilience mechanic

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Lol, what no googlebot response? you lazy faggot. Thanks for the pettiness, though. Some fat kid with no job calling me retarded, is quite amusing. Do you even know the definition of the word you're using? Or are you just trying to sound cool? How does arguing that one class has the worst mana efficiency of a particular role, religate me to a drooling mess stuck in a wheelchair? Do you even hear yourself? Lol. I never said "Hey, a mage or <insert class with a mana bar> has better efficiency than a resto shaman." I simply stated they had the worst efficiency of the healing classes, which they do. However, as I continued to mention, that's how TBC was. Please try again.
I love your pathetic efforts to try and put me down, Cube. It only shows your maturity level, which is on par with grade school children, (particularly of this generation.) But I suppose since you're still a kid, that suits you.

I look forward to another laugh, from your efforts. Angry? Hardly. You constantly amaze and amuse me with your pettiness.
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