AV & Weapon fragments

[Infusion]

Can I get a clear and logical reason why doesn't AV give [Weapon Fragment] as a reward? I'm up to argue anyone who has a valid answer, besides the typical reason that "this bg is biased".. It's a bg like it or not you cannot control the rewards depending on who wins or who doesn't. That's unfair.

[Mayore]

because that bg shouldn't even exist on sf it's one big hk farm with a lot of bugs

[Bucovsky]

Sounds okay for me, especially that AV is not faction balanced with all those alliance creatures having stuns/knockouts/interrupts or horde towers being easier to cap. Or just because it causes server crashes, ends up in huge zerg hk farm, people hate it, it's up for just 1 hour per day and hordes are able to win one once in a blue moon.

[Imperium]

because it's biased towards alliance, still is on retail, to this day.

and bugged

and just a massive hk farm

[Henhouse]

See, when we planned for ways to obtain these marks we set out to think how many should be going out in one time frame, and where they should be. Sure we can say "let's add it to all the Quel'Danas dailies, make it drop from here, there, etc." But the fact of the matter is, even adding 1 more fragment can reduce the amount of time it takes to obtain these weapons by like a week. We wanted it to take over a month at least to obtain an item. Yes, we know that's a LOT of time commitment, but these are legendary, non-donateable weapons. They are meant to be very rare.

Because AV is offered only 1 hour out of the day, I felt that this was not necessarily placing bias on faction choice, but rather, restricted world location. I constantly get complaints about how people from the Americas, and other parts of the world are unable to ever do AV due to it's time frame, and that farming reputation or the marks to buy transmog gear is simply impossible.

So when it came down to deciding that 4 tokens should be obtainable daily, we thought of ways they should be achieved. I knew we wanted to incorporate PvE besides the raids where tokens additionally drop, so we picked the daily heroic quest. With the 3 remaining it seemed sensible to place it on the 3 battlegrounds that are not extremely long. One that you could play several more times in 1 day to get that win you were hoping for --- not play a BG that you have a 50/50 chance to win or lose once a day, and have to wait another 24 hours to play again. It's not accessible to many people in the world due to server peak time and location, so I chose to leave that battleground out.

I hope this explanation clears things up.

[Wacco]

I was noticing something that maybe can balance this unbalancing bg.

What about changing the direction of how ally guards are facing so stealthers can't take bases much easier and faster than horde? for now a rogue can simply just fastcap and despawn every single guard.

I don't mind the respawning trash horde has at their base comparing to the non existing alliance trash but the "reset range" at Vanndar is such a disadvantage comparing to Drek'Thar's.

[Apuclevercow]

AV is bad since I can't tank Vanndar and his pals, at least 3-4 times during this AV hour.
Bring us back weak dwarves Hen !

[Infusion]

Now as you can see everyone who just replied is on the horde side, and of course they are agreeing that AV shouldn't be rewarded because it's biased. Hordes have won AVs many times, it's not impossible, why are you denying what's a rightful win for us, as allies? It's our win, our work - your loss, your problem. How about that I get a refund everytime I lose an eots as ally?

I'm not discussing at what time AV is made, or how many times a day it is played. But as you said, it's only one hour, and rarely 2 AVs are launched per day. With a chance, each day, that the hordes win it.

Instead of telling us "you are winning this bg too much, you cannot get rewarded for that", either fix the problem yourselves or let us have our own win, don't be omniscient. For me, EotS is biased for Hordes, a simple premade can own the bg since the allies didn't figure out how to manage their teamwork there yet..

We all know being an ally is slightly harder to win bgs. You may check how many faction changes occurred previously (not in the last 2 weeks).

To sum-up, swp was gamebreaking. AV wins are what? People aren't allowed to obtain something earlier if they worked harder? "It's supposed to take a month to get the legendary", you added the legendaries, we should work for them, hordes should work for them. Instead, you denied a bg where tens of players attend each day. Now if the statistics show that hordes win more eots than the allies, please remove the rewards from eots. Cause as an Alliance player, I see it a loss for me and a profit for hordes who know that eots will be their win: Same idea, reversed scenario, you're doing the same.

[Proudmore]

To count, if AV were giving a Weapon Fragment too, it would be 5 per day , 150 = 30 days, it is not less than a month ,as we know we cant be sure as a Alliance or Horde who win AV, somehow I dont really support the idea , but it makes sense and I think it has to be implemented too.

[Mayore]

Don't consider me horde player i play both factions.


So please tell me what advantages over alliance does horde get in EotS? Because there's plenty of those in AV

because it's biased towards alliance, still is on retail, to this day.

and bugged

and just a massive hk farm

this sums up what i think about it pretty well.


plus, there's what Henrhouse said. it's only once a day so managing the time to play it might be hard (due to timezones for example) for those who want to get the weapons as soon as possible- and i know there's many of those