something.

[QuantumVoid]

Sure, rating got inflated for most low-mid rated players. But it was faaaar more apparent the lower rating it was. What happens when the skillcap gets reduced, and the game becomes easier is that average players have a lot of room to improve, and have an easier time doing so, while good players have way less room to improve, and have a hard time doing so.

I can see your point. I personally think it is good that average players had more room to improve. It's pretty sad that decent players didn't have that luxury and as such were at a disadvantage, but tbh I don't see any way that could 've been fixed.

So what happened in cata was that the "skill" tiers, if you will, got totally fucked. Where players on about the same level went up against each other in previous seasons, more average players popped up against better players in cata, and had a bigger chance of beating them.

Maybe, I do not know. Didn't really play arena during S9. had like 50 games played or something with green/blue gear. Only stayed through the season due to friends, otherwise would've quit sooner.

A couple of examples that dumbed down the game was the ridiculous amount of self healing introduced, Blizzards "fix" for stealth, Blizzards "fix" for jumping charges, instants becoming king while casting became less and less useful (a trend that continued to escalate), casting on the move, triple dps anyone? This is just the tip of the iceberg.

I'll agree here.

And about the binds I mentioned, didn't mean it went for everyone. As I said, just a fun fact. Casters got a lot of shit removed in cata. From a mage pov, a lot of r1 crap got removed from tbc to wrath (everything except r1 frostbolt and dampen, and in very few cases r1 dragon's breath and brilliance), and from wrath to cata, a lot of spells got removed, way more than was introduced, on top of r1 spells getting thrown out as well. Not that it mattered much though, as long as you had ice lance you were all set. Rogues got shit tons of binds in wrath compared to tbc though, at least if you play sub. As muti it's still fairly sparse.

True.

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I generally agree. So, yeah, it seems that S9 was a bad example on my part. Oh well.

[Cube]

Yes. I'm best.

Now back on topic. This won't solve anything at all. All it takes is $50 and suddenly you're titled. HAHAHAHAHA.

Seriously though, it's a good idea.

[Deceitx]

Nonetheless, we all agree that a title-whipe should be done?

The idea of keeping the titles for two seasons seems prettygood aswell?
Someone mentioned something about shorter seasons aswell? And yes I do agree. Its sorry to say but SF arena matters like maybe 1 week every four months at its current state.

I can be rank12_3_4_5_6 every single day of the season except the last seven days and end up without a title, though this is not my point. I am trying to tell you guys that there is no point in having seasons last 4 months when the actual decisions as for who gets titled gets decided the last "week."

TL;DR 3months and 3weeks are wasted time - arena.

This could be solved by shortening the seasons or implenting goals within the seasons? Like on FOREXAMPLE.. (nextgen) where everybody generally just struggle to get 2.2 for transmog/shoulders and mounts. But this would also have to be whiped EVERY season. Its hard to recreate the exclusitivty of having "shoulders" seeing everybody has them for no effort at all.

Anyways this is just me freetexting ideas? (no grammarcorrection)

REGARDLESS, something has to be done in my opinion.

[Clizzey]

Ive got another idea right!

Arena Ranks.

1 - Vglad
2 - Mglad
3 - Glad
----Glad
10 - Glad
-
20 Duelist
-
30 Rival
-
40 Challenger

You get the idea yes?
I was thinking of the "Brutal Gladiator" title aswell, but I dont think it exists yet, afaik? I know you could add it customcustom but?

[QuantumVoid]

Yes, I think it is agreed that a "hard reboot" is due.

I am trying to tell you guys that there is no point in having seasons last 4 months when the actual decisions as for who gets titled gets decided the last "week."

That's how it's always been to be honest. Even on retail the active weeks of every season were like the first 2-3 and the last 1-2. Inbetween people just camped ratings. Not that it is a healthy thing.
As for the "every 2 seasons" and "shorter seasons" ideas: Well, considering that on retail you could keep your earned title "indefinitely" (before changes occured, that means), I think the transition to "whipe titles every season" might feel a bit odd. Every 2 seasons sounds a bit more rational, imo.
Also, due the unhealthy first/final week rush we stated above, I think seasons should be way shorter. Besides, let's face the fact that the people on SF who earn titles are pretty much the same bunch every season. The arena playerbase here is not that huge. We don't need very long seasons so people can "catch up". An optimal season span would imo be 2 months.
As far as the nextgen-like "objectives" idea, I personally like it, but I doubt it'll see much light. We don't have that many interested people, plus you might observe strong whining from the transmogged peeps.

Regarding the arena ranks idea by Clizzey: I personally like it. On retail ALL ranks and titles were distributed on a percentage rule (here that can not be done, because the game is now static. There's no advancement in patches etc, so there are no new "hfgudjdi Gladiator" titles added - Hence the VGlad,MGlad and Glad titles should be exclusive), which imo is more fair and accurate than a "Highest 3/4/5 ranked teams get titles". I understand SF arena-active population is much lower, but still it is generally a good idea. It means titles get more evenly distributed, which is good. Keep the Gladiator titles for first 3 teams, imo, and then distribute Duelist/Rival/Challenger to some sort of highest-rated percentage.

[Antique]

Ive got another idea right!

Arena Ranks.

1 - Vglad
2 - Mglad
3 - Glad
----Glad
10 - Glad
-
20 Duelist
-
30 Rival
-
40 Challenger

You get the idea yes?
I was thinking of the "Brutal Gladiator" title aswell, but I dont think it exists yet, afaik? I know you could add it customcustom but?

Ehh,that's an awful idea to be honest.Would work on a server with much bigger population but not here.Just keep it simple,r1-r6 teams gets titles and mounts

[Cube]

I know you could add it customcustom but?

I'm fairly sure that doesn't work.

[Henhouse]

This is something we can look into then, however I'll need to speak with my development team to see if we can figure out a way to wipe titles correctly. Titles are stored as a bit value, with all titles.

eg:

1 - Private
3 - Corporal
5 - Sergeant

This means if your bit value is 4, you have the titles Private and Corporal for a reason, and if you have 9, you have all three, for example.

This means some serious, serious math of divisibles would need to be done to calculate and extract said title out of this bit value. Additionally, in TBC cores the data blob still exists, would would need a massive calculation needing to be done to locate the right bit value, calculate math on it, extract proper titles, not mess anything up, and repeat this process on ~250,000 characters. That is insane to get right and execute properly.

Maybe we'll be able to figure out a simpler way to do this through core functions, and that will take time to discuss with our development team, and find out what works.


What is the data blob? A deprecated way to store character data that is still in use on some TBC cores to hold some values. Here is a random character's example:

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So this will take some time.

[Firstaidkit]

I don't think this idea will work and it's not worth the effort. It's not like people that already quit will notice that the arena titles of old players are wiped and do they even care? Most of the top arena players actually quit the server because of the bugs that they face in arena or because they get bored after getting an title.

[Amgseret]

Pretty much.