Lets discuss this once and for all

[Pendulumm]

All info written below is only my opinion, which can't claim to absolute truth.
Now we have 2 problems: HK farming and swp gear.

HK farming. The cap should be reapllied (probably on 250k), but it doesn't solve the problem completely. Most of people who don't need bg marks and honor anymore, have no other incentive to win on battlegrounds (capture towers, carrying flags etc). So the only solution of this problem i see - is to give some additional rewards for winning. For example such reward may be title, that can be achieved by winning some amount of battlegrounds. Such idea is pretty lame, but if we all think it over and discuss - it can get interesting.

SWP gear.Removing all swp-gear on bgs is clearly bad idea. The biggest problem of pve-gear (and thats the only problem in my opinion) is spell haste. Melee clases don't get so much advantage in swp gear as casters get. Some classes, for example feral, even dont need full pve gear, because of unnecessary stats for pvp in some pve pieces. So why not just set cap of spellhaste, which would prevent enormous damage by spell damage classes? Actually it would eradicate this problem.

P.S: i'm not fluent english speaker, so sorry if something in this post isn't ok ;D

[Xaru]

i wouldn't want to disable it totally.

players should be able to wear one pvp set part (pants are always the best so i guess this one), jewelry, cloak maybe..


however this will ruin pve (if it even exists)

We can't just remove pve items from the game, and we can't put conditional checks on gear worn. The drama that would cause + it would screw over the few players who are interested in pve (something I/we are really trying to encourage).

I have experimented with some stuff:

1: Negative resilience on pve items (core does not support this, but could be changed)

2: A system were once a player goes past 250 resil, resilience is converted into both increased % damage done and a reduced % damage taken. (Effectively this would mean two players with the same 400 resil would do the same dmg vs eachother, but more vs pve-wearing players. It would also cause pve stackers to do less damage vs players with a lot of pvp gear.

3: Increase the resil or stam manually on some bits of pvp gear to make the pve pieces less desirable

I can't believe you are even considering the option to change the way pvp/pve gear works on this server. That is absolutely ridiculous and stupid. Do not change PVE gear or you will ruin this server. You're not blizzard. You have ~10 people complaining and you're already discussing these options? This is the problem with this server. You think a few players whining accounts for the entire server, and are too ready to make massive changes that completely overhaul the gear system on this game. Do not change SWP gear or change anything about the way PVP works or me and many other people will leave this server. Once you start messing with stats you are going way too far. It's been like this since 2008 for gods sake.You will completely change the way PVP works on this server if you do that, keep things as they are please-

[Exsurgo]

People asked if we could remove pve gear in BGs. I explained why we can't. I listed the only ways that pve/pvp gear balance could possibly be changed. I never said we had any plans to implement it so you can calm down. This was me testing some interesting mechanics on my test server, and that is where it ends.

[Xaru]

People asked if we could remove pve gear in BGs. I explained why we can't. I listed the only ways that pve/pvp gear balance could possibly be changed. I never said we had any plans to implement it so you can calmdown.

Sorry, I thought you was actually seriously considering those options rather than just laying out what is possible. Thank god for that. *calms down*

Tweaking item stats would completely change the way PVP worked.

[Exsurgo]

Sorry, I thought you was actually seriously considering those options rather than just laying out what is possible. Thank god for that. *calms down*

Tweaking item stats would completely change the way PVP worked.

Yes it would make a large difference. But then again so does high amounts of Sunwell gear and maxed out consumables. SF is far from retail in many regards, just putting the reality out there.

[Deems]

You think a few players whining accounts for the entire server

Now YOU are the one bitching about Exsurgo's ideas (regarding modifying items & stats). Please remember one member whining doesn't account for the opinion of the whole community.

Funny how it goes around don't you think?

[Amgseret]

NIGGERS

REPORTED FOR RACISM
BAN PLS

[Xaru]

You think a few players whining accounts for the entire server

Now YOU are the one bitching about Exsurgo's ideas (regarding modifying items & stats). Please remember one member whining doesn't account for the opinion of the whole community.

Funny how it goes around don't you think?

I am bitching about something that would completely ruin the server, you cannot possibly think that -any- changes to the gear system would not have significant ramifications for all aspects of the game here. It would be disastrous. And besides, whining about pve gear isn't on the same level as whining over a total overhaul of the gear system to accommodate you babies.

[Amgseret]

>I cant abuse shit as much
>ruins server
Yea...no.

[Deems]

hurr durr i can't play a retarded shockadin* anymore pls don't do anythiiiingggg

* replace with ele shaman/balance druid