Henhouse Please Read(WOTLK)

[Deems]

When it was designed no one had 15k. Hell 1 person had 10k. The influx of HK farming in BGs soared after the titles were implemented.

Mostly results of OregonCore. Back on the old mangos core, in order to get a honorable kill in a BG, you had to deal the most damage to that person, so you only had a handful of honorkills per BG, wheras you can get hundreds now.

the ICC was also only for casuals

You're fucking stupid. ICC normal was for casuals you dumbfuck. Did you even TRY LK 10/25 heroic modes? Oh, you did? Right. With the 30% buff. Try them in appropriate gear for the encounter and without the buff. For casuals, right?

[Henhouse]

Hm, good arguments and transferring would take hours among hours of testing and even then I could hit a wall and not be able to transfer after all.

The only thing that will be annoying is name stealing. It's a personal annoyance of mine because while I understand in theory taking a name is an ability but personally stealing ones from another server when it opens is annoying. I think I will be flagging players for rename that intentionally steal names of TBC players that want to play. Misrepresentation, confusion, etc. I think it'll piss a lot of people off if I didn't either.



As for donations, it's really not been thought about much just yet. I know I want to go with a cheap affordable system like TBC, but since Wrath is 50% gear, 50% skill unlike TBC we have to be very careful. The systems we had in place previously were alright gear-wise so we'll model it off that but make improvements and such.

I don't really have any details about the server at this time since I've barely even begun work on it. More will follow later once we're getting it setup again. I know I don't want to have the mall in the typical South Seas Tanaris area like on TBC. I received a lot of negative feedback when we moved the Wrath mall there. However, I don't want to have it in the old world either. I feel like part of the Wrath feeling was actually, well, being in Wrath--in Northrend. So I might be looking into seeing if Dalaran is suitable. We'll see.

[Cube]

As I said earlier, put an item level cap on donation gear. After that you could try to work on getting pve working so that people could get the higher end pve pieces. Same with the s8 gear. Make shoulders unavailable unless you have the rating. Would probably have to put them on 2v2 though, since 3v3 probably won't be that active. And if you implement t2 weapons go the same way. Only make it available to people who actually get the rating (changed to 2v2 just like the shoulders). As for pve gear, mirror the pvp ilvl. Put a lower ilvl cap for shoulders and weapons. Say 25 man t10 for everything but the shoulders and weapons, which would be 10 man t10/ilvl.

Then there's the retarded pve trinkets which which would have to be considered as well since well... they're op as hell.

This would most likely lead to more active pvp and pve, even for donators.

[Wacco]

You're fucking stupid. ICC normal was for casuals you dumbfuck. Did you even TRY LK 10/25 heroic modes? Oh, you did? Right. With the 30% buff. Try them in appropriate gear for the encounter and without the buff. For casuals, right?

Chill. I do not even want to answer you but.. I stopped when the ICC came out due to studies and gave my warlock to my brother. But my guild that joined forces with Momento Mori at Frostmane for ICC did it quite easy. then I know that my brother who join a casual guild at Vashj got him down too, but it was only in 10man HC. They did not get him down in 25man HC directly, but after when they nerf it they downed him.

I can agree with you in someway, me and my friends were not directly casual and my brother got my BiS Warlock had no difficulty with him it's all about getting together a team that does not stand in fire.

but from what I heard, it was not that difficult, although many guilds popped up and took the LK just as it was with the ToC (no, not talking about 50trys). For example, on Frostmane there was few guilds that downed LK even the semi guild on Shattered Hand did LK pretty quickly (where i was).
then if you are so good, you know that the raiding just got easier and easier with time

I guess you understood casual as idiots that Pugg or you are just mad because you took LK prenerf and no one else on your awesome server?

[Deems]

but from what I heard, it was not that difficult, although many guilds popped up and took the LK just as it was with the ToC.

It took the guild who killed LK25HC world first 170 attemps to finally beat the encounter. The world second kill came 16 days later.

Compare that to REAL casual raids (e.g. all Cataclysm raids, look how fast they were cleaned compared to how long it took to kill LK HC).

ICC 10 on normal (ESPECIALLY after the zone buff AND overgearing) was the "casual mode". Heroic modes with adequate gear no zone buff? The opposite of casual raid.

You can't say something is "casual" because you had a zone buff granting you up to 30% hp/damage/whatever AND you overgeared the place (the times I've seen people in 277 items crying about how easy ICC10 normal is... REALLY?).

[Wacco]

but from what I heard, it was not that difficult, although many guilds popped up and took the LK just as it was with the ToC.

It took the guild who killed LK25HC world first 170 attemps to finally beat the encounter. The world second kill came 16 days later.

Compare that to REAL casual raids (e.g. all Cataclysm raids, look how fast they were cleaned compared to how long it took to kill LK HC).

ICC 10 on normal (ESPECIALLY after the zone buff AND overgearing) was the "casual mode". Heroic modes with adequate gear no zone buff? The opposite of casual raid.

You can't say something is "casual" because you had a zone buff granting you up to 30% hp/damage/whatever AND you overgeared the place (the times I've seen people in 277 items crying about how easy ICC10 normal is... REALLY?).

I am not talking World firsts.

It is true that I myself haven't experimented with early ICC where I play myself, but I believe in my friends and what I know so should not the first nerf counted because it was just sick (think it was Valk). then it's not as if people take off their gear to make it more balanced. Who would do that.

I myself do not know when zone buff was and how it was but I guess it did not come as early and that it has been built up but I know that MM and other guilds took LK early on what others did. I guess they did not buff if they were 25eu

All with casual was that you could Pugg KingSlayer really early on what you could even do before in other raids.

We see quite different to that and my understanding was that the ICC seemed easy from what former things have been.

[Cube]

Might have been fairly hard when it was first released, but when the buff was at 20% (I think) 10 man pugs could take down multiple (in other words not just loot ship) 10 man HC bosses in the first wing, and that's with some HC dungeon geared players in the raid. I'm not saying that every pug could do it, far from it. But it was possible.

But idd, that was after the nerf. Didn't play early on in 3.3.5 myself, didn't come back to the game until later on. Point is that compared to earlier raids Wrath was easier.

Edit: This is a good topic btw, don't go off-topic :(

[Wacco]

thought about off-topic to. :)

The whole thing is a different perception of it even if myself do not have 100% early-game experience with it but I have too much raid experience. then I admit that what I wrote was not directed against endgame HC World First things but the whole instance of itself. I do not know if the zone buff came in June / July or if it came in a patch but it was easy.

then I agree with that Wrath was destroyed slowly with daily badges and more casual nonsense Blizzard introduced. I lost everything when they changed gear and stats. If not stats scaleing

Wintergrasp perhaps could be a Mall if not Dalaran fits, but I do not know if the event works on this server or how it is with the bosses

[Overdozze]

As a side note;I can't help but wonder,why the sudden "lets revive WoTLK" plot?'We all remember, it died,Hen announced it dead,and that's all.What is the reason for this sudden revival?

ps:Mall in dalaran?Have you gone mad kind sir?I'm not sure 100% of the Smolderforge player base have pcs capable of handling that zone.Why not try something lesss "demanding"?!Inside of Wyrmest Temple or something.

ps:Lol at the off-topic...its Cata out there boys and girls....and you prolly have better things to do than comment on a private server forum about retail.

[Mutedtoohard]

The only thing I have to say about this thread is WannabeWarrior spec for real champs. Combat needs love too you know.