Here's a thought

[evusen]

U keep saying u wanna get more ppl to do 2s, well here's a thought: selling the s3 shoulders for 1875 pts which also requires a rating of 1850, AND selling them for 10 BoJ doesn't seem like a good way to promote arena, does it..

10 BoJ can be farmed in half an hour in SWV, which, lets face it, is easier than RFC. While getting 1875 pts and a rating of 1850 on the other hand takes a little more work (mostly cuz there's nobody doing 2s, and the teams u do face will grant u about 3 pts a win at 1.8k). So, remove the damn vendor which sells the PvP gear for badges, and we MIGHT see a LITTLE more ppl doing 2v2.















Prob won't work, just close Hyjal.

[Nervk]

Good stuff.

[Henhouse]

Let me first say Endania JUST made a stickied thread saying to post in the correct sections. I see this failed to get posted to Suggestions so now I have to move in there.

So to start, we recently removed shoulders for badges and it ended up being a really bad idea. Support wise, we has about x5 more tickets that we had to respond to about why they were "missing". Player wise they had to beat people in full Brutal and farm rating to get up to a high rank to buy shoulders. Now, I just cannot see the logic in that. And saying, well they need to be better to beat people in Brutal is pretty much assuming then those people would be the gladiators for that season since not everyone could do that and get gear. When someone wins, other people are going to lose setting them far back.


So I believe removing the vendor is a very unthought idea, only in the idea that it would severely change Smolderforge as the way it is right now. It is my job to choose what is in best interest for the server and when I think things I think them all the way through and how they will be affecting many aspects of the server.
So let's think--the vendor is removed. SWV and SC population severely drops, people are no longer doing battlegrounds since badges would earn them Tier 6, not arena gear, people in Hyjal are just world pvping which then grows in result of closing of battlegrounds, tickets go crazy clogging up the support system. Arena attempts to increase for a moment but once not-so-good players in their Merciless gear get farmed for the 10th time in a row disband and quit; we realize that it didn't really increase arena at all, only for a moment and now people are angry and pissed at the administration team for destroying the progression system in the server and making it impossible for them to get only the next season of gear up to fight donors.

So the only way this would work is if we reconfigured the vendors. 30 badges for shoulders, 20 for chest, etc. Also start changing the arena vendor point requirements, lower them without team rating.

Or there is the add season 4 vendor for only arena points and rating. However that is our ONLY source of income for the server and would promote TONS of win-trading and would disrupt the arena environment and cause the Game Masters to invest a lot of time investigating issues, etc.

See how complex this all is? I love the suggestion, I just need people to help me think it through understanding the impacts it can have on the server.

[Aklem]

i am now going to make a movie in full s2 gear me and antique.

[Avronax]

Hope you have a blast.

[evusen]

I understand ur problem, but my point was that the difference in difficulty is ridiculous. Like u pointed out, getting 1850 PR isin't too easy in s2 when fighting s4 players, but getting 10 BoJ is just too easy. Imo, u SHOULD remove the BoJ vendor, but lower the requirements for the s3 shoulders. Not too low, cuz in order to make arena competitive u need to make ppl feel like they're achieving something. If the shoulders r too easy to get (like they are now) then the whole point in doing arena gets destroyed. Granted, u got the titles, but the most skilled players r alrdy doing 2s and they've got s4.. U can prob see the problem there.

Here's my idea: since u get BoJ from doing PvE, let ppl buy PvE gear with them. Perhaps add some other PvE items other than t6. As far as s3 goes, make it accessible through PvP like it's supposed to be. At first u should prob lower the requirements for the shoulders (like 1750 PR or something) and if this gets more ppl to do 2s, u can raise the requirements.

EDIT: a PR of 1750 seems a little low imo.. Make the other parts require a little PR (about 1600) and keep the shoulders at 1.8k or above. This makes ppl compete for the gear. The way ppl see it now is that there's no reason to work for rating. They can just to a little PvE and they've got they're shoulders.

[Antique]

I understand ur problem, but my point was that the difference in difficulty is ridiculous. Like u pointed out, getting 1850 PR isin't too easy in s2 when fighting s4 players, but getting 10 BoJ is just too easy. Imo, u SHOULD remove the BoJ vendor, but lower the requirements for the s3 shoulders. Not too low, cuz in order to make arena competitive u need to make ppl feel like they're achieving something. If the shoulders r too easy to get (like they are now) then the whole point in doing arena gets destroyed. Granted, u got the titles, but the most skilled players r alrdy doing 2s and they've got s4.. U can prob see the problem there.

Here's my idea: since u get BoJ from doing PvE, let ppl buy PvE gear with them. Perhaps add some other PvE items other than t6. As far as s3 goes, make it accessible through PvP like it's supposed to be. At first u should prob lower the requirements for the shoulders (like 1750 PR or something) and if this gets more ppl to do 2s, u can raise the requirements.

EDIT: a PR of 1750 seems a little low imo.. Make the other parts require a little PR (about 1600) and keep the shoulders at 1.8k or above. This makes ppl compete for the gear. The way ppl see it now is that there's no reason to work for rating. They can just to a little PvE and they've got they're shoulders.

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[Henhouse]

I mean I agree with a lot of your ideas, I just am not sure entirely what to do and how to go about doing it. When I have time to actively develop I will try looking into this.

[evusen]

I mean I agree with a lot of your ideas, I just am not sure entirely what to do and how to go about doing it. When I have time to actively develop I will try looking into this.

If you're concerned about ppl not doing BGs, u can lower the arena points required and add a little honor aswell. This way ppl do arena and BGs for the PvP gear and PvE for PvE pieces. U can also make the vindicator off-parts require a little honor and maybe about 1600 PR. This way everyone can do what they enjoy about the game and still achieve something.

[Henhouse]

I'd imagine when the new core is in we're going to be able to bring in a bit more serious of an arena community so when that time comes remind me to find time to revamp the system.