SWP items

[Amgseret]

Saying that you don't care and still supporting SWP cancer in every post, how cute is that.

[Xaru]

Saying that you don't care and still supporting SWP cancer in every post, how cute is that.

Because I don't want to see the game unbalanced due to GM "fixes" when there's already so many bugs on this server. I'm not as simple minded as you who only knows how to whine when you get bitchslapped in PvP.

[Amgseret]

Seeing how nobody saw the fixes, its pure assumption that they will fuck up balance either way, while we have a imbalanced situation already.

Every of my mains scales pretty well with swp, actually and spamming 6k shadowbolts is pretty fun...for 5 minutes. It might sound crazy, but some people just want more enjoyable and balanced pvp for everybody, not rolling the most broken combination for glorious success in a dying video game.

[Apuclevercow]

Firstly, thank you Henhouse for your answer, finally. ;D

casters are going to be extremely overpowered.

SWP casters are already overpowered.

Or the gear I donated for? What about the hundreds of other people who did the same?

About SWP gear donations, you mean weapons ?

[Henhouse]

And what about all of the PvE gear I've farmed to use in PvP? It's all going to be worthless for me now? Or the gear I donated for? What about the hundreds of other people who did the same? All for a dozen or so people who complain on the forums?

Then I would suggest you, and those other people, pick which items with which specs you find the most useful and use them. Seeing as the other route was "wiping it", I find this to be a much better solution.

No, this has little to do with the debate on the forums; this problem has been observed for a long time.

[Firstaidkit]

Yay finally!

@Xaru: It's not like your are the only one that cannot use SWP gear in PvP these changes will affect each and every one of us and I don't think it will favor some classes it will only balance the server right since people can't use too much PvE gear in PvP (since it wasn't even intended for that in the first place) get rid of the full PvE abusadins, boomkins, fire mages, elementals and warlocks that pretty much can almost 2 or 3 shot you in their SWP gear. I'm pretty sure that didn't happen on retail or did it? People didn't even had this kind of gearsets, so be happy with what you get.

[Xaru]

Then I would suggest you, and those other people, pick which items with which specs you find the most useful and use them. Seeing as the other route was "wiping it", I find this to be a much better solution.

You didn't have to make a decision, you could have just ignored the people whining or at least take a poll instead of making a major change to how gear balance works on this server, and god knows how that will fuck class balance up. Look at these threads and count how many people are complaining, it's the same people over and over. That still doesn't answer my question, since I've effectively donated for gear that will be worthless in PvP now, as will hundreds of other people who have donated for SWP items. What about the thousands of hours people spent farming SWP gear to use in PvP that will now be useless? This isn't a blizzlike server, it never will be. But it seems over the last 2 years that all the changes that have been made have been to get rid of the "fun" aspects of this server. No consumables, no SWP gear, no healthstones or mana food, etc. All of the gear we've farmed for months is going to be balanced to be useless in PvP, and how exactly will you let people know that the gear has been nerfed somehow, how will new players know not to use SWP gear? It just complicates everything.

I would also like to know exactly how you're going to achieve this balance, so I can understand exactly how it will affect PvP, since the main reason why people put on SWP gear is because that is the only way they can defeat priests, warlocks, mages, rogues don't need to wear PvE gear to kill people. I'm worried it's going to affect all forms of PvP and class balance.

@Xaru: It's not like your are the only one that cannot use SWP gear in PvP these changes will affect each and every one of us and I don't think it will favor some classes it will only balance the server right since people can't use too much PvE gear in PvP (since it wasn't even intended for that in the first place) get rid of the full PvE abusadins, boomkins, fire mages, elementals and warlocks that pretty much can almost 2 or 3 shot you in their SWP gear. I'm pretty sure that didn't happen on retail or did it? People didn't even had this kind of gearsets, so be happy with what you get.

But this isn't retail. Don't you understand that? The reason why people enjoy, or enjoyed playing here is because they could wear the gear they never got to use on retail, they got to experiment and have fun on an expansion patch they enjoyed, and if they wore full SWP gear and did crazy damage, so what? Isn't that the point of the SWP gear being available in the first place? And yeah, it's easy to say it's going to effect all of you when you're a shadow priest. The only changes that will be made is as you've stated those classes will now be useless while classes like yours will be made to be even more OP, not that you need it seeing as how Henhouse clearly favours the casters by giving them Sunflare in the first place.

It's a shame, I had so much fun playing as a Shockadin here. But I guess I'll be holy/ret from now on. But now all of the gear I've farmed and donated for is for nothing, months of farming gear for nothing. And it's going to be the same for hundreds of other people. Nice one.

[Deems]

But this isn't retail. Don't you understand that? The reason why people enjoy, or enjoyed playing here is because they could wear the gear they never got to use on retail, they got to experiment and have fun on an expansion patch they enjoyed, and if they wore full SWP gear and did crazy damage, so what? Isn't that the point of the SWP gear being available in the first place?

Exactly. You enjoyed playing here because you could wear the gear you never got to use on retail. Doesn't automatically mean everyone else plays for that reason. I'd be willing to bet that most of the people who play on this server are here for the simple reason that its TBC. Very few probably go into a server with the mindframe "holy shit I'm going to get full swp gear and fill my inventory with consumables, IT WILL BE SO FUN SPAMMING TWO BUTTONS!!!!!!!!!!!!".

As you said, it's not retail, so expect changes that never happened there - right? ;)

It's a shame, I had so much fun playing as a Shockadin here.

Exactly my fucking point. You probably had a lot of fun, but did the hundreds (if not thousands) of people you obliterated in a couple of hits because of your consumables/PvE gear? I doubt it. Truth be told, this is the exact mindset that is ruining the server.

[Firstaidkit]

Most of the players left when people started to use full SWP gear in bg's so that's not really fun in my opinion, I rather see it removed so maybe some of the old players come back.

By Xaru's logic SWP gear is intended to be used in PvP which is wrong it's not intended for that it's PvE gear. Also I mostly play my druid nowadays not my shadow priest.

[Cube]

Pve gear isn't the problem, swp gear is.