why is 5v5 so hard to do?

[sidewaysfcs07]

how come this server made it so easy to do world pvp but did not try to encourage 5v5 wich is the most balanced form in pvp in the game..? they even encouraged it by making hyjal world pvp area..


so i finnaly found some ppl to do 5v5 with and we waited in queue for about...1 hour , we went to hyjal and there was like 20+ hordes all ganking like 10 allys and thats what they did for like half an hour..

and while some ppl say world pvp is skill ...how can u call 20 pplk ganking 10 ppl skill?>

i suggest to do something about this and encourage ppl to do 5v5 by rewarding something or making a tournament or something..
all theese ppl do all day is BG (10 vs 3 bgs ) and world pvp ...and they say that its true pvp...ur fighting 10 ppl in a pack of over 20 and ur calling it skill?
then they say "go play retail then" whats the point of a private server, not to immitate retail..?
and while less and less allys are doing bgs cus of the unbalanced ratio everyone else does 2v2 and 3v3 and i cant stand it cus its just a constant zerg there no skill involved..

do theese ppl really get a kick out of ganking ppl or are they so cowardly they cant fight fair its just frustrating..

[Mysterious]

lol 5v5 involves alot of skill rofl
5v5 is like a huge clash of light shows and know one knows what they are doing. Its just a mess. The more skill arena are 2v2 and 3v3.
But it would be kinda fun to do some 5v5. But the only way is to yell in trade channel and talk to people and try to get them to do 5v5.

[sidewaysfcs07]

lol 5v5 involves alot of skill rofl
5v5 is like a huge clash of light shows and know one knows what they are doing. Its just a mess. The more skill arena are 2v2 and 3v3.
But it would be kinda fun to do some 5v5. But the only way is to yell in trade channel and talk to people and try to get them to do 5v5.

how can u even say that? 2v2 and 3v3 requires more skill? are u serious ? 2v2 is completetly unbalanced its just druid and warrior zerging and there no comunication at all..5v5 takes alot of timing and coordination ...whoever thinks 2v2 takes more skill than 5v5 could only be a druid or warrior...

lets face it , its a private server ppl just wanna do whats eazy..so no one ever does 5v5 cus all they like is 2v2 where they can win just by facerolling...

i mean most of the best players on retail got theyr titles from 5v5 and acctualy sayd that 2v2 is very unbalanced...

[Mysterious]

Ok 2v2 is abit unbalanced but 5v5 is still a clash of people doing huge attacks on one person who can barely even help himself cause he will have like 3 people on him. Unlike 3v3 would probally have to take the most skill out of them all. It is very balanced and you have to coordinate to get the job done. So if anything we should get more 3v3 going.

[Henhouse]

Takes 10 people to do one match, 105 people are allowed on, 30 of those people probably raid giving you 6 teams to fight, if one person goes AFK that knocks out the whole group. Try getting 70 people that will stay on the server.

Also keep in mind Hyjal is a side thing to do, you can go there on your free will.

[Wutzke]

yes 5V5 requires a lot of skill but when you really get down to it 2v2 and 3v3 because you require tactics to take down the other team where as in 5v5 you're always just going to go after one guy sure there may be a little bit of per say tactics but down in the end it's a mosh pit :-)

[sidewaysfcs07]

ur talking about the low rated 5v5 im talking about the real 5v5 with 2345 combo ....its not just 5 ppl on 1 guy...the entire combo is based defensive and on a sudden switch to 1 person..that is the basic tactic of 5v5...purge , swich and kill..the skill is not to fall for it first and die...5v5 is more balanced then 2v2 ann im not sayng 3v3 isnt balanced ...but since all of the teams are RMP ..its kinda boring..
in 5v5 u see much more combos even at high ratings ..and it also takes much more communication then 2v2 or 3v3 cus ....if u dont know how to survive a sudden swich u will loose 1 teammate faster than u can blink ;)...and in 2v2 double dps teams also do better ..however in 5v5 almost all teams are 2 healers, 2 dps, and 1 shaman..(ussualy ele).

the reason i dont like 3v3 is cus its also class based...u never see good teams with paladins..most are RMP or druid, priest rogue.. so 3v3 does take skill but its very class based..

5v5 is basicly more about skill and less about classes...sure shamans are a must have but everything else is balanced for any class..

[Sickwon]

LOL, did you just call 2345 skill in a 5v5 skill?

i lead a 2300 eurocomp. THAT was skill. Coordinating CC (yes there was alot), making sure the warlock doesn't Dot the mages sheep, me (the priest) being mana drain/main heal/ offensive and defensive dispell/ aoe fear. Pulling off target swaps WITHOUT bloodlust or a warrior MS or ele shaman burst.

all 2345 (especially at the sub 2k level) is "dps one guy and target swap." If that doesn't work you are either screwed or you recover and try it again.

If you really knew what you were talking about, you would maybe READ blizzard posts, which they specifically state they wanted the arena to be balanced around 3v3. Which is also why they made the MLG/ELS and the official tournament server a 3v3 realm.

5v5 for a private server, as henhouse explained, is very much a dream. At times, even 3v3 seems like too much to hope for. 2v2, although it requires less coordination, still does require a lot of skill, otherwise you would all be 2500 right now.

[edit.] Just read your part about all the teams being RMP... RMP requires a decent amount of skill to be good at, especially against melee zerg teams... the Ezmode comps in 3v3 are RWD, RLD or WLD.

[sidewaysfcs07]

ugh u never played 2345....its not attack 1 guy and then swap...i wont even bother...

i sayd 3v3 is unbalanced ucs its CLASS-BASED...if it was balanced u would see more than 3 combos at high ratings..but u dont...its rmp almost every time...recently druid,warr,rogue...and while that does take skill..its still unbalanced...

the basic idea of 2345 is that every class benefits from heroism and theres alot of burst dmg...and pvp is majorly based on burst dmg in 2healer teams

and eurocomp is the easyest 5v5 team to play and not even that successfull it started in season 2 at the end and even so most of the winning teams where 2345 ...i mean cmon druids in 5v5? ...they draw more fire then anything..how can u not go 5on 1 when u see a druid...

[Sickwon]

2345 = trying to burst (and target swapping, if you're not using target swap strat in 2345, you're bad.)
eurocomp = coordination, skill, and timing.

They are even not comparable. 2345 is the easymode comp that happened to work because heroism made it almost impossible to heal through. Eurocomp on the other hand is all about being coordation and shutting the other team down. The reason it wasn't that succesful (in terms of not finding many at high rating) is because it requires so much skill and coordination. There are VERY few teams capable of pulling it off. But when worked correctly, it has no counter. (i believe if you look at all the #1 5v5 teams in S3 there were more eurocomps than 2345, however there were more 2345 than eurocomps in the top 20... that's because there aren't many people who are good at it, but when you're good, you're amazing, whereas with 2345 you could be less than mediocre and do well.)

If you don't understand that.. well.. there is no point in aruging with you. I have experience in both.. leading a 2300 eurocomp and playing around with friends on my warrior on a ~1900 2345.