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Rogue bug: Deadly Throw (with arena gloves)
Posted: 18 Jun 2011, 13:31
by Entravarc
Hi,
(On TBC server)
The "kick" effect of deadly throw has to be instant. Here, it kicks the opponent cast while the throw reach the ennemy. On retail, it always kick cast while you push the button.
Look at:
http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=78489 (Neilyo movie) at 04:15 (look at the gcd and the kick, it's pretty clear that deadly throw kicks it instantly)
(Sorry for my english, I'm french)
Re: Rogue bug: Deadly Throw (with arena gloves)
Posted: 18 Jun 2011, 15:16
by Fraternity
the throw has to reach the opponent then it does the kick effect
Re: Rogue bug: Deadly Throw (with arena gloves)
Posted: 18 Jun 2011, 15:17
by Raven
It's pretty obvious that the closer you are the faster it applies.
Why would the silence effect start before the animation hits? :P
Re: Rogue bug: Deadly Throw (with arena gloves)
Posted: 18 Jun 2011, 16:34
by Entravarc
Back,
Is someone played before TLK here? ... Seriously.
From retail forum, talking about TLK/cata:
Back on topic: does the DT interrupt still have that annoying delay? All of Wrath it was terrible to rely upon, and often required you to throw it before a cast existed.
I finally found a caster who was willing to let me throw a knife at his head. There is a small delay between the throw and the interrupt, maybe a little smaller than a second.
Well at least now I know that it's still broken. Makes the talent unreliable, since it will have troubles interrupting very quick casts without any form of preemptive response.
I still don't know why we have to deal with this issue; the same thing cropped up when the DT interrupt was on our gloves in TBC, and after a lot of complaining it was fixed. DT interrupt was abolished and the talent for it added in Wrath - only with the delay back on it.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2211962098
Why can't it be more like deadly throw? They're simply the same thing;
an axe thrown at the target versus an arrow shot at the target yet one instantly interrupts/silences them.
This is true, deadly throw interrupts ON CAST and deals damage WHEN LANDING.
(we can see on the last post the difference between the "push button" effect and the landing effect.
http://www.arenajunkies.com/topic/40648 ... t-off-gcd/
Deadly throw might have been OP when jumping just outside melee range of your target to interrupt something (neilyo vs threk rule)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMBMOpK76zk
However, blizzard added a delay to deadly throw when you attempt to use it like that. if you're in melee range and run out of melee range, deadly throw wont work for an extra couple seconds.
so bringing back DT interrupt would act strictly as a long range interrupt. mage sheeping you from 15 yards away you can DT it.
http://forums.wowgrunt.com/wow/thread.p ... ®ion=us
This was a WOTLK change, it's a bug here. At TLK deadly throws interrupt effect become useless.
Enough sources?
Re: Rogue bug: Deadly Throw (with arena gloves)
Posted: 18 Jun 2011, 18:55
by Raven
Again, why would a interupt effect come before the animation?
Would't make sense
Re: Rogue bug: Deadly Throw (with arena gloves)
Posted: 18 Jun 2011, 19:01
by Entravarc
Are we on an RP server, or PvP? We don't mind how it's logic or not, it was like that on retail so it's a bug here, that's it.
Just log in on Arena Tournament arena server, it's like that too.
Re: Rogue bug: Deadly Throw (with arena gloves)
Posted: 18 Jun 2011, 19:09
by Peekaboo
From what I remember in TBC it had the very same delay, as the projectile impact initiated the interrupt.
On top of that there isn't a reason to report something like that without mentioning something else with it which actually is a critical issue.
But apparently it's fine when bugs benefit you...
Re: Rogue bug: Deadly Throw (with arena gloves)
Posted: 18 Jun 2011, 19:24
by Endania
I can't remember all the way back to TBC, but I'm guessing the silence effect works like silencing shot, which silences when the projectile hits you, not when you cast it.
I'll look into this later.
Re: Rogue bug: Deadly Throw (with arena gloves)
Posted: 18 Jun 2011, 19:30
by Entravarc
Peekaboo> What bug?
I gave sources for this bug, including a movie... Can find other if you want but I played rogue for many years, including TBC period
Re: Rogue bug: Deadly Throw (with arena gloves)
Posted: 18 Jun 2011, 19:54
by Entravarc
Deadly throw 2.3 changes:
http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/67425/deadly-throw
I'm glad you asked, we actually have some changes coming in 2.3 for Deadly Throw. The speed at which it travels is being increased significantly, so it will reach your target much faster, and the snare duration is being increased slightly. One second longer if I remember correctly. It will, however, no longer have the ability to trigger Ruthlessness.
With that Ruthlessness mention I'll elaborate that we'll be changing it so that Ruthlessness will only affect melee finishing moves as a whole.
So two fixes here:
1/ Deadly throw interrupt effect has I said has to be instant
2/ Deadly throw can't make Ruthlessness proc