2.4.3 PvP builds

[Bucovsky]

Added. Thanks!

[Firstaidkit]

Of course someone steals my Shadow spec and takes the credit for it. But that's what you get if an hater start a thread.

I don't really know what do you mean Firstaidkit, some further explaination would be good. I also doubt if I am the one spreading hate. I would understand if that spec was somehow "registered" by you(for example post a signature "SERVER FIRST SHADOW SPEC ON SMOLDERFORGE", you are pretty good at those). I won't respond to you anymore, unless you write something productive about builds.

I just funny that you say that Selitha made that spec while she copied the spec from me. She was new to the priest class (at least to the shadow tree) at the time that I was in you MONSTER and she asked me how to spec it. So yes I feel offended if she takes the credit for my spec. Just saying, not saying you have to change it, I'm just saying she stole my spec. Never said this spec was registered for me, but it's also not nice to steal someone else his spec and take credit for it.

I guess those things happen if you don't log on for a long time, people take credit for stuff they never did. Just like how you all gave Ezatt the credits for something he didn't got first....

No need to hide it we all know you hate me, Justanowl....

[Mayore]

the shadow build she LINKED is the only proper one, there is nothing better for shadow pvp and 95% of priests use it.

and i think Owl made signatures not for epeen. as you can see there are diffrent variants for disc priest, frost mage etc and if there is anything wrong with builds or you simply want to ask a question about it you can directly ask the person that made it

[Otaku]

Was checking the specs list, only noticed there were 3 missing (might be wrong)

Balance + NS
http://www.wowprovider.com/?talent=2438 ... 003340031j
This is how i used it, some players might prefer to lower wrath of cenarius and increase nature's grasp and balance of power, or even moonglow.

Arcane frost
http://www.wowprovider.com/?talent=2438 ... 011100501h
You can drop the point on cold snap and 1/3 improved blizzard for more 4% frost dmg, however that will affect your survival greatly.

Arcane Missiles
http://www.wowprovider.com/?talent=2438 ... 1x5d23011m
You can drop 3 points on arcane impact and 2 on magic absorption, if you intend to play with molten armor mainly, getting 5 points on impact.

PS: Firstaidkit, you shouldn't be offended by the fact Selitha shared "your" shadow spec, it's normal that older players have the best specs and gear choices. I think Selitha shared the spec to help Justanowl's post (and the community), not intending to take credit from it. If we go by that line of though, all balance and feral druids on the server copyed me (besides Pipeofpeace which came up with an interesting feral gear), which wasn't the case. Relax about the honor kills, people just say ezatt got it first to piss you off, don't pay attention to it. =)

[Cube]

Those mage specs are pretty off. You're specing with a pve mentality, which doesn't really surprise me, considering you main. Just saying that you can drop Cold Snap for 2% more frost damage is... well, stupid to say the least. You're not gonna dps some boss, so a mere 2% damage buff won't be noticed at all compared to the difference that snap brings to the table. Especially not when you have Shatter.

You don't need Mind Mastery/Arcane Mind, especially not with the gear around here, and especially not with pom-frost. For filler points, fine. But you'll do more than enough damage, and considering what you can gain from those points instead, it's not worth it. Talents that should be picked are Improved Blink and Improved Mana Shield (if it works these days.) Prismatic Cloak isn't too bad, especially not coupled with Arcane Fortitude. Get Arctic Reach and Frostbite. You're a shatter spec, shatters are your main source of damage, on top of kiting being your main source of survivability. 3/3 Frostbite and Improved Blizzard is always better than 3/3 Permafrost.

But most importantly, if you're new to the Mage, and looking up specs, don't spec this shit. Spec frost, and learn how to handle the class. Damage isn't everything, especially not as a Mage. Once you've gotten a hold of the basics, you can start experimenting with other builds.

@Fak, are you enjoying making a fool out of yourself in public? One has to wonder.

Edit: And you never need 5/5 Improved Arcane Missiles, especially not with haste. And Magic Attunement isn't needed at all.

[Bucovsky]

Thanks for the new builds and feedback! I will handle it as soon as I have some spare time.

Cube, could you suggest some arcane build of yours?

According to that arcane/frost it seems to be cool spec for some not-so-serious playing. Did double 5k crit frostbolt shatter combo on a dummy with 397 resilience setup!
NS Balance spec is also nice, I used to play ns balance back when I was new to smolderforge and I kinda enjoyed it.

and i think Owl made signatures not for epeen.

@FAK
The fact we don't like eachother doesn't mean that I wouldn't take your post seriously if you had something to share.

[Otaku]

Indeed those are specs made with a pve mentality, and meant to be played with probably not more then 250 resilience, as any pom spec mage should be.
This are bg specs, not meant to be used anywhere else (dueling maybe), as Justanowl meantioned every player has their own theory, you might find 4/5 pushback on missiles better, or a little bit less intelect/spell dmg, thats fine by me. Just posted them cause no one meantioned them.
This specs are worlds appart from the deep frost spec, it's not like you're meant to survive or kite as much, they are meant for nuking.
And yes if you're new to mage you should roll Frost/improved cs as mr Cube said, using enough resilience ^^

[Firstaidkit]

Mayore talking about epeen, k. No comment.

Anyways I never said this was a bad thread it's very informative for beginners or people that wanna switch class so good job on that.

[Cube]

Indeed those are specs made with a pve mentality, and meant to be played with probably not more then 250 resilience, as any pom spec mage should be.
This are bg specs, not meant to be used anywhere else (dueling maybe), as Justanowl meantioned every player has their own theory, you might find 4/5 pushback on missiles better, or a little bit less intelect/spell dmg, thats fine by me. Just posted them cause no one meantioned them.
This specs are worlds appart from the deep frost spec, it's not like you're meant to survive or kite as much, they are meant for nuking.
And yes if you're new to mage you should roll Frost/improved cs as mr Cube said, using enough resilience ^^

Saying that pom mages should be played at ~250 resi is pure and utter bullshit in every possible way. And it doesn't matter if you're playing deep frost or not, you're still playing a mage in a pvp environment. Dismissing the mages strengths and utility for a bit more damage is a bad call in almost all situations if you have enough damage output to begin with, including in bg's. Playing the class that narrow minded won't utilize the class and its various specs to its fullest. I get that you and others like to see the biggest possible numbers you can on the screen, but you're diminishing your efficiency by doing so. Am I saying it's wrong to spec that way? No. Am I saying it's bad? Yes.

Take the pom-frost spec as an example. Your biggest damage source is your shatters, which means crits. To crit, you want to put your opponent in a freeze. Since you're lacking a Water Elemental, you're one freeze short. So you're left with Frost Nova, which you have improved in the spec, and Cold Snap to reset the nova. But you haven't picked Frost Bite, which has a good potential to both increase your survivability and your damage output, especially with Improved Blizzard and Ice Armor. So in a way, you're missing a pretty damn good freeze.

Since you have two crit multiplier talents (Spell Power and Ice Shards), you'll do a fuckton of damage even if you don't have Mind Mastery. And since you have Arcane Potency you have a good chance of scoring crits in between shatters. These talents coupled with shatters is the core of your damage output, which is why you don't need more. You can have more, but people will die, and they will die fast even if you don't. The big difference is that you won't, and you'll be more effective in between your cd's while staying alive.

Just because you're in a bg, it doesn't mean that you have to use every single global to do damage, especially not when it can mean that you die, a team mate dies, a flag gets dropped etc.

[Otaku]

I understrand the points you made, you can post both specs in your version of it.
Yes frostbite its a really good talent, the same way you say people die on bgs for not enough cc/survival, so do flag carriers survive due to lack of damage, resto druid manage to survive a nuke while silenced and you don't have sustain for the hot's, etc
You're thinking in a utilitarist way, i'm thinking about a maximizing damage way.
Let's stop spamming this awesome forum post, make a final comment with the 2 versions of it if you want. ^^

Ps: Owl maybe it's better to add a note for main/starter specs and other/fun specs, to be easy for new players to filter the information.