Smolderforge Support Community

How to partly solve this issue:
-Fix this: https://bitbucket.org/smolderforge/core ... ends-gives
-Make it so the matchmaking system only takes the team rating into account when matching you up against other teams.
-Fix the rating gain/loss formula, it is far from blizzlike

Anyway, could someone please explain this behaviour to me, because I don't quite understand it:

-Continuously re-creating their teams to get back to 1500 rating
-Logging onto their alts with a 1500 team to try to queue up against a team which rating is about the same as their main's team.
-Toxic behaviour, even when on the winning side.


Examples:
https://www.smolderforge.com/site/armory/match/16379
https://www.smolderforge.com/site/armory/match/16146
https://www.smolderforge.com/site/armory/match/13782
https://www.smolderforge.com/site/armory/match/13153
All 1500 teams

Toxic behaviour:
http://i.imgur.com/f0Tm5TA.png
http://i.imgur.com/CTRiUaK.png
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http://i.imgur.com/VoSWPmq.jpg
Few minutes later:
https://youtu.be/BCTFldFWGEg


What's the point of a title if one gained it by foul play?

you had to post whole conversation of last screenshot. kez said spooqt doesn't want to reg when they are on the main characters. so it's dodging vs sniping :P and they had to win like 7-9 games in a row and get 1700+ before they were able to lose 1 game to spooqt :D
ps: i don't really get it, sniping is foul play? well, it was allways part of the game on private servers, you can't do anything about that. you can also snipe them with your alts when they are playing on the main teams since you're still winning vs them. what's the problem?

hm, actually yeah, i see now that it was 1500 team, recreating team after every win XD oh well...

Rating gain loss/win formula is to your favour. I remember the old formula where you won +1 when being 2k+ vs 1500 and by loss -31. You talk about foul Play but you didn't mention Double Health Stone nor pet bugging in pillar since you quite abuse this alot. Let me post some random examples as well just for the lulz https://www.smolderforge.com/site/armory/match/8098 https://www.smolderforge.com/site/armory/match/14345 https://www.smolderforge.com/site/armory/match/15795 https://www.smolderforge.com/site/armory/match/10768 https://www.smolderforge.com/site/armory/match/9629 https://www.smolderforge.com/site/armory/match/9613 You're playing on sf since a year? However you tried to Change the System because you couldn't get 2k+ in the past on sf and now you try to Change the System because you can't get rank one? Actually it's the first season where you got 2k+ and this season is the season with absolutely no competition except for Blazw/Evolve you're unsatisfied with how it goes and you want the retail Arena expirience but this is a privat Server with a very small Arena community. Indeed smolderforge had a very competetive Arena Scene in the past (Zat,Antique,Mallory,Gohl,Retardcleave,Phoe few for example) and the last seasons (Ptaq,Asmo,Mirok,Vogues,Uzbeki etc all guys who swaped from NG after it got shutdown) however None of them playing activeley on smolderforge anymore. About the toxicity you don't know Kez since yesterday you also played with and against him. I also recall you spamming Kez you'll snipe him after he left his 2,1k Team and passed lead to you. I advice you to ignore him and/or use /DND while playing, Hen could also disable the Chat in Arenas ofc a tryhard won't stop that since he'll be logging alts and continuely harras you, in that case Report him to the staff. Sniping is part of the game it's literally like this when you're on 2k+ you'll getting either spectated or countersniped/dodged. You can't compare a 100+ Privat Server with retail.

@Paniz
We've never dodged anyone.

@Discyo
How is a rating formula in anyone's favour? It would be the same for everyone, players wouldn't be able to obtain higher ratings as easily with this low population though.

I don't even think the healthstone bug works anymore, I haven't had it working in a long time at least.
The pathing is reported on the bugtracker and I've posted continously asking when it will get fixed there. There's also no way to not "abuse" it, I put my pet on attack/follow continously to stay in combat & devour, it's how warlocks play. It now just happens to run through pillars instead of around them.

Only 1 of those links is where I played with Forsvunnit and that game we got counter-geared, Forsv, also didn't have Sin'dorei at that point, lost when he went oom. It was a close game though, but no way under fair circumstances.
The rest of the games you linked are with different partners, they're fine players but lack synergy/different playstyles with them. Afterall, the druid makes half the comp.

My previous suggestion about implementing mmr or something similar would benefit everyone since it is a superior system.

I've played here on and off since 2013, got 2k+ back then on SF, Next-gen but also AT when it came back. I never really played much though.

I've never sniped anyone, ever. Not on this server, not on retail or any other server.
Also sniping on retail happened to top teams, but it was a very rare occurrence, and you didn't snipe with a lower rated team because that was impossible. People who sniped did it by counter-comp, and I even remember back then that it was seen as a scum act.


If you'd want titles on this server to have even the slightest meaning, then that would be to host a small tournament for the top16 teams on the ladder at the end of the season. Then again 2v2 isn't exactly very competitive.

Lelol wrote:
@Discyo
How is a rating formula in anyone's favour? It would be the same for everyone, players wouldn't be able to obtain higher ratings as easily with this low population though.

I don't even think the healthstone bug works anymore, I haven't had it working in a long time at least.
The pathing is reported on the bugtracker and I've posted continously asking when it will get fixed there. There's also no way to not "abuse" it, I put my pet on attack/follow continously to stay in combat & devour, it's how warlocks play. It now just happens to run through pillars instead of around them.

Only 1 of those links is where I played with Forsvunnit and that game we got counter-geared, Forsv, also didn't have Sin'dorei at that point, lost when he went oom. It was a close game though, but no way under fair circumstances.
The rest of the games you linked are with different partners, they're fine players but lack synergy/different playstyles with them. Afterall, the druid makes half the comp.


I've played here on and off since 2013, got 2k+ back then on SF, Next-gen but also AT when it came back. I never really played much though.

I've never sniped anyone, ever. Not on this server, not on retail or any other server.
Also sniping on retail happened to top teams, but it was a very rare occurrence, and you didn't snipe with a lower rated team because that was impossible. People who sniped did it by counter-comp, and I even remember back then that it was seen as a scum act.


If you'd want titles on this server to have even the slightest meaning, then that would be to host a small tournament for the top16 teams on the ladder at the end of the season. Then again 2v2 isn't exactly very competitive.

It's in your favor because you got alot 1500 Teams in your match history and +3 is more than +1 also -24 isn't as much as -31........right? Sin´dorei is only a bit more mana reg defintely not game deciding. I've follow Arena here since 2011 never saw you above 2k+ not with your druid mate neither your shaman mate, 1900+ yes but that's all. I did not say you snipe anyone only that you admit to snipe Kez after he left his 2,1k Team and passed lead to you. We all know how well ended the tournament.

Dude if you play again vs Kez and Niko's wd, u'll lose .
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Lelol wrote:I don't even think the healthstone bug works anymore, I haven't had it working in a long time at least.

still working, none fixed it.

@Lelol the only way to fix "sniping" is to make so 2k+ teams never can't be matched with less than 1.8k+ teams. but then 2k teams won't have opponents at all because of how low arena teams population is.

Lelol wrote:How is a rating formula in anyone's favour?

in this case rating gain/loss formula works in favor of more high rated team (in your favor). it's win-win situation for you: if you won - you gain more rate from 1500 team (3 instead of 1) and if you lose - you loss less rates (24, i guess(?), instead of 30+). so changes to blizzlike formula won't fix sniping in any way, it will be even more abuseable, you still can snipe but now you will be able take 31+ rates from 2k+ team and if you lose - it's just 1 rate (you don't feed as much rates to high rated team).

Lelol wrote:I don't even think the healthstone bug works anymore, I haven't had it working in a long time at least.

still working, none fixed it.

@Lelol the only way to fix "sniping" is to make so 2k+ teams never can't be matched with less than 1.8k+ teams. but then 2k teams won't have opponents at all because of how low arena teams population is.

in this case rating gain/loss formula works in favor of more high rated team (in your favor). it's win-win situation for you: if you won - you gain more rate from 1500 team (3 instead of 1) and if you lose - you loss less rates (24, i guess(?), instead of 30+). so changes to blizzlike formula won't fix sniping in any way, it will be even more abuseable, you still can snipe but now you will be able take 31+ rates from 2k+ team and if you lose - it's just 1 rate (you don't feed as much rates to high rated team).

ps: i know first track in the video, it's from neilyo, but what the second track? :O

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