Faction change

[Brainstitch]

Srsly, so much for balance.

[Brutalknight]

In my oppinion it's completely impossible to balance anything in this server. Let me explain:

-If you go to hyjal and see 40 allys like before camping hordes you just never go there again since even if you enter at the same time as somebody you will get farmed again anyways and then you two will not enter there the rest of the day since you know how things are. Allys get more confident and more and more go there to do the quests and thus making poor hordes even in a worse condition so nobody goes there.

-Then those hordes go to bgs just to get farmed again since 90% of the players can't press 5 buttons right or do something as simple as getting a flag and scoring it or killing the one who steals ours, and you leave them to be farmed at the graveyard since it's no use one person (you) do half the dmg of your faction (10 ppl) in relentless.

-Hordes start getting depressed of being farmed all day and making them more difficult to get gear and those cowards create ally chars, making it even more unbalanced to the point there isn't anything to farm since bgs end due to lack of horde players, like happened just some days ago. (30 allys queued vs 4 hordes)

-You put a faction change then this happens but the other way :) Blame it on cowards.

Im one of those persons who has never changed faction and who likes challenges since it's not cool just to join the victorious faction and farm, since being at (a bit) of disadvantage actually makes things balanced since you count as like 2 noob players in the same gear. Like I say putting a faction change again will put things like they were before since alliance is the faction where most people goes first when creating a character (dual trinket, human models, everything but dwarfs looks in girl model whereas in horde they just have belfs, legolas has his race in ally side etc).

Right now these are the stats on the server:
Horde: 132 (67.7%) Alliance: 63 (32.3%)
Brainstitch tell those 63 allys to join bgs and fight instead of creating hordes or blame them for having done so while the faction change was active or doing it now with that option on their chars. With 63 allys you can play 6 full and balanced Warsong Gulch BGs with 10 allys each and 10 hordes.
Hey, why are 0 queued in your screenshots if horde has 1 player per each 10 queued? With the same logic there should be at least 6 allys queued.
Here you realize what I said at the beggining was right :) People is really coward and just want to join the faction that wins or where most people goes to like a fashion trend, since you can't say "hey they want to be horde for racials" because they had a 1 week faction change on each side to get the racials they wanted, and they still change after that so they make sure they are on a "winner" faction. Thus making allys outnumbered and like a snow ball rolling it makes them not join to bgs and there we have the opposite situation, just because of all those who changed faction not for racials (they had a week to do so) but "because everyone was doing it" and choosing faction not based on the race you will enjoy to play the most, but on how is it on bgs at the moment.

In the end it's also a problem of low population, if we had 600 players like before you could be outnumbered still in hyjal, but people would still be able to join 10vs10 balanced BGs anytime they wanted.

The server should be advertised in some way other than "tops" which are not looked by everyone who wants to play WoW. For example a simple, short and well written guide on "How to play WoW for free" posted on any random forum with this "set realmlist smolderforge.dyndns.org" at the end will solve the problem. Not saying spam.

[Brainstitch]

I agree to most of your text written, those were screenshots i know there must be at least one, but thats what shows to me when I'm on horde, and when I go to my ally its like, Queded ally:1 Queded horde:18

I mean, this faction shouldn't even come at all at first place. I didn't change last time it was here, but this time i was pretty bored so I was like "Hey I could be a troll" so I trolled, and I feel sorry for that cause I don't know if it is worse to spend time on ally and being ganked or being on horde in wsg only one geard and doing something not farming. Just beacuse of some players complaining being farmed it all messed up again. It was not imbalanced imo, bg's wins were 50-50.. As far as I saw.

I'm seriously thinking about rerolling ally but, I don't think farming full rele, full t10hc, and wrath off parts are worth my time doing it again.. I don't think it's worth any of player's time here that agree with me.
But it's just my opinion.

[Brutalknight]

Right now there are 3 full WG's 10vs10, the thing is, if you want to join after that for the 4th one there will be lots of hordes and almost no ally, which leads to think you're the only joining which is true but for that only bg, that whitout counting the ones who leave bg's when they are being pushing hard and I don't know if queued ppl can join WG1 or WG2 or WG3 when the fourth one is being played.
Still at this hour there are Horde: 114 (64.8%) Alliance: 62 (35.2%)

Don't know what the solution must be because people changing faction when they are not getting the results they want will lead again to the same situation. Anyways we need more population.

[Henhouse]

Right now there are 3 full WG's 10vs10

If you guys are basing how much left over players there are when other BGs are going on then I hope you realize that means nothing. There's always going to be a small imbalance, but just because 4 BGs cannot start doesn't mean the server is unbalanced.

[Brainstitch]

I made ally spriest, and I try to gear him but noo, no freakin way, everytime I get in there is horde on graveyard.. :(

[Peekaboo]

No offense, but statistics are for sissies, in reality Alliance is a pain to play.
If teams are even from the start on, it's actually a challening experience, and I'd go so far to say that the Alliance even has the edge there.

But there are never enough Alliance players available to fill up every BG, of course that's impossible and related to "minor" balance issues. But we aren't talking about 12 running BGs, it's about 3, and if one of these is imbalanced it screws up the experience for one whole BG group (and to bring statistics in that's ~33%), as those guys who join up afterwards get cooked in most cases.
That's a serious issue and needs to be looked at, as this makes people reroll Horde for quick honor.

A 10vs6 in WSG or 15vs8 in Eots/AB is a disaster, and it happens way more often than 4 times a day.
Of course you can't have perfectly evened out factions, but apparently BGs aren't capped at the number representing the weaker faction, and even if it would be the case, it just would make horde queue up with their former Alliance characters.
Either cap the available number of BGs which can pop up related to the average presence of the minor faction (only counting people logged in for like 15 minutes), or limit the opposing faction from filling up their group while the other faction is underrepresented.
On top of that, offline people really should be kicked from a BG automatically after 5 minutes.

[Jailbait]

So you're saying we should remove racials to balance the factions ? How would that help ? People would just complain because we've removed game breaking spells that were there on retail.

There's a reason Blizzard nerfed those game breaking spells.

WotF is OP. It allows forsaken players to shit all over alliance warlocks and priests and this being s4 which means, melee dominated, you don't really need WotF to faceroll them anyhow. If you're playing a class which is available to forsaken, most players will roll forsaken simply because of the ridiculous racial. Same if you're playing a class that relies on fear (warlock and priest), you go with horde because you won't have to deal with WotF in battlegrounds.

The difference between playing an alliance lock and a horde lock is fucking ridiculous.

Same situation with perception. Human rogues for example have ridiculous advantage over other rogues, in arena that means you pretty much get a sap and the opener on the other rogue/team all the time. I don't have to explain how game breaking that is.

Simply updating these racials to the way they were in WotLK would go a long way in helping with balance issues. Forsaken would no longer be the obvious choice for PvP.

We're not removing any spells that were on retail unless they're severely bugged.

That's your problem.

TBC was great and more balanced than WotLK but it had its share of retarded crap that could easily be removed and the game improved. Removing RNG talents would be a great start (mace specs, blackout, frostbite, impact etc.) but that's not really faction related issue.

A 10vs6 in WSG or 15vs8 in Eots/AB is a disaster, and it happens way more often than 4 times a day.

It's happening all the time. Early morning you get maybe an hour or two where alliance and horde are evenly matched, sometimes even with a bit more alliance than the horde (one or two more). For the rest of the day it's horde outnumbering and facerolling alliance.

This is starting to get annoying really fast. If you're alliance, you join in and either give up waiting in ghost/stealth/some corner for the BG to end or you get farmed on the graveyard. Occasionally more people join in but by that time horde has huge advantage and it's pretty much lost.

If you're horde, you join in, walk to alliance GY and spam 123 for the rest of the game. It's as entertaining as DPSing a target dummy.

[Imperium]

So, this thread is about removing racials?

are you fucking bad.

clearly you are.

[Balls]

WotF is OP.

stopped reading there