Updates 5.1: Gear Revamp Preview

[Henhouse]

I sat down with a large majority of my staff that was online at the time and we spent about 1 hour or more debating all the new stuff for the gear revamp. After much debating we have concluded on the following things:


IMPORTANT: Prices are appearing higher now, but please also keep in mind we will be implementing a voting site panel around this time and per each vote you cast a day is a Badge of Justice, and there's about 5 sites in which you can vote each day.

(in order of things discussed)
Edited June 29th 3:56PM EST

• Stormwind Vault closes down.
• Scarlet Citadel will now drop TIER 6 weapons & non-set items.
• Zul'Aman will drop pretty much all Sunwell Plateu stuff. Better loot if you save the people before the sacrifice timer.
• Tier 5 "Accessories" vendor created.
• Tier 6 offset gear for sell for 30 Badges of Justice, "set" of Tier 6 all for 20 Badges of Justice.
• Season 3 purchasable for honors points, the shoulders and chest are arena points & rating, specific numbers not discussed yet. (Vindicators still remains free)
• Season 3 weapon prices not discussed yet.
• Bring Tabard vendor from donor mall to the mall for badges & honor (2 separate vendors)
• Landro Longshot sell his wares for badges & honor (2 separate vendors)
• Mounts returning not discussed yet.

Feel free to discuss.

[Avronax]

I disagree with removing S3 and T6 weapons and armor from people. We have veteran players that have been here for a long time, and deserve the gear. You can add the changes to new incoming players. If you are going to remove T6 and make it obtainable from Raids only, then the gap between starting players and S4 donors will be greater.

Also, why do we need a gear revamp? What's wrong with it?

[Henhouse]

Also, why do we need a gear revamp? What's wrong with it?

The biggest reason is the fact someone can farm SWV all day and come out and buy the best obtainable PvP gear... That's the problem. And it doesn't take long either, that's also why we're closing SWV (forgot to mention that will add now).

[Avronax]

Add a raid timer of 2-3 days for SWV if you can. Also, wiping gear from characters is the same as wiping the characters pretty much. If I for example will have s2 weps and I played for 2 years on the server securing the best pvp weapons obtainable, then it's the same as me making a brand new character without having played throughout the arena Seasons of Smolderforge. It's fine if you implement the changes to upcoming new players, but not the the ones playing now.

[zeker]

it would be nice if you can do the same that u did in the pre-bc server. Turning BT and TK in a 10 men raid.
in that way you can put that ZA drops the marks/1 badge per boss and put swp loots in BT and TK (maybe hyjal if you can get to work the wave event) and/or t6 tokens ( if someone doesnt know how to exchange t6 tokens, doesnt deserve it )
that would made server more PVEable
Same with arensa, however, 80% of the 1800+ teams are donors, wich kinda sucks because people with s2 aiming for s3 doesnt have big chances... And gear DOES matter...


i like the new system, however, removing items from those who already got it is not very nice, they had to work for it.

a thing that would be nice was to be able to get s3 and s4 via arena. dowing s3 , so more people can get it, and letting s4 only for the best players and donors. ( 1700s for s3 shoulders, 2000 for s4 shoulder, or letting em at 2200 ) that was my idea

EDIT: Consider that most players here, play becaue they dont want /cant spend a lot of time in farming they gears like in blizzlike servers. in my particular case i play here just to pvp and pve eventually but, i cant play mroe than 1-1,30 hours and not all the days. In most serves in 1 hour you dont do a full raid, so theres no way to get most PVE parts, and/or arenas (we all know how irritating is 1800s+ qeue in most servers wich is 10 mins, for 1 fight)
I agree with the new system for new players, but those who spend his time playing here and farming his gears would be nice to keep em. Some people cant just play all day to farm gear.

[Henhouse]

it would be nice if you can do the same that u did in the pre-bc server. Turning BT and TK in a 10 men raid.
in that way you can put that ZA drops the marks/1 badge per boss and put swp loots in BT and TK (maybe hyjal if you can get to work the wave event) and/or t6 tokens ( if someone doesnt know how to exchange t6 tokens, doesnt deserve it )
that would made server more PVEable
Same with arensa, however, 80% of the 1800+ teams are donors, wich kinda sucks because people with s2 aiming for s3 doesnt have big chances... And gear DOES matter...


i like the new system, however, removing items from those who already got it is not very nice, they had to work for it.

a thing that would be nice was to be able to get s3 and s4 via arena. dowing s3 , so more people can get it, and letting s4 only for the best players and donors. ( 1700s for s3 shoulders, 2000 for s4 shoulder, or letting em at 2200 ) that was my idea

Black Temple and Tempest Keep are not scripted well. I had also originally stated that Season 4 would be obtainable but during the debate it was leading to a lot of ... bad debating I suppose? I'll probably finish off that part myself when the time comes.

Also I'm getting a lot of complains about the removal of such gear, and quite frankley I understand but you must realize it's not fair either way. It wouldn't be fair to new players to work super hard so they can get the same gear as an idiot got by doing SWV all day that can't even PvP... I might decide however not to wipe it due to popular request but it would make it more fair for everyone to start over in the "NEW" system.

Also we realized we didn't cover anything about battlegrounds and what you'll be getting there, so hopefully we can draw a conclusion with that soon.

[Sailown234]

what about donars?
will they get s4 off the bat? if so, i have a feeling this seasons gonna be pure utter bull droppings

EDIT**

I know i sound wierd, i'd like to see gear bought with honour (like S3 chest/shoulders bought with like 75k honour) with retail rates (or even lower...), which makes players WHO HAVE FULL GEAR, have a reason to still participate in BG's rather than stop que'ing and do 2v2.

[zeker]

Also I'm getting a lot of complains about the removal of such gear, and quite frankley I understand but you must realize it's not fair either way. It wouldn't be fair to new players to work super hard so they can get the same gear as an idiot got by doing SWV all day that can't even PvP... I might decide however not to wipe it due to popular request but it would make it more fair for everyone to start over in the "NEW" system.

Also we realized we didn't cover anything about battlegrounds and what you'll be getting there, so hopefully we can draw a conclusion with that soon.

Well, maybe a more fair sistem would be that, you exchange items, like giving 1 [ any currency you wanna use or 10/15 badges] for every t6/s3 part removed, so that way, players that had full t6 can get at least 4 pieces of t6, and those who had s3, can buy it, but putting a 1600-1800 rating req for s3.
like 1600 for legs,1650 hands,1700 head,1750 chest, 1800 shoulders ( i just put random numbers to get the point)
Most regular idiots dont get more than 1650 in 2v2.

About battlegrounds
They are fine now, but nobody plays EOTS here (maybe it doesnt work?)
also some thing i liked in another server was that , when you win a skirkmish (2v2/3v3/5v5) they gave u a BOJ. that was nice because it fomented people to play arenas. just a suggestion, Im just sayyin.

[Henhouse]

I will discuss with my GMs tomorrow about maybe not removing Tier 6, but I believe at least 1 piece of S3 needs to go, even only taking away 2 was NICE. I originally stated to wipe ALL Season 3.

Also about EOTS, all BGs work FINE, we just never have included in EoTS into the battlegrounds, however I was discussing with Endania about adding it to the list of battlegrounds that queue. Once we get lots of people on the server when we open voting sites we will try to fit AV in there some day :D.

[Toosh]

I agree with the removal of arena gear and weapons and I will probably talk to you in private about a few ideas I have in mind. I just need a decent amount of sleep first.

Notice how I started talking about irrelevant stuff here.