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Seal Twisting

Posted: 28 Aug 2014, 16:35
by Bucovsky
Seal Twisting

Seal Twisting is Retribution Paladin strategy used to benefit from more than just 1 seal at a time. It is based on clever usage of the delay which occurs between an auto-attack hit and an actual damage dealt by Seal of Command (about 0.5 sec). Seal Twisting is fairly easy to reproduce if you understand the theory but it requires good timing and reflex to use in an actual fight.

Some useful terms:

SoC - Seal of Command
SoB - Seal of Blood
SoJ - Seal of Justice
JoC - Judgement of Command (The effect of Judgement after consuming Seal of Command)
Proc - Triggering of an effect

How to use it?
You have to swap between at least 2 seals, but the starting one must be Seal of Command. You can benefit from Seal Twisting only if your SoC procs, white hits which don't proc the effect will just make you waste some of your mana. SoC's effect triggers 0.5 sec after your white hit and you have to be quick enough to use a different seal in that short time period. If you do it correctly SoC's damage will proc the effect of the second seal of your choice.

>Use Seal of Command
>Auto-attack your target
>Melee swing occurs, white damage is dealt, Seal of Command procs (the timer starts, you have 0,5 sec to change seal)
>Use Seal of Blood/Seal of Justice (or Seal macro, explained later in the topic)
>0.5 sec passes, you benefit from both Seals (You just seal twisted!)

How to notice whether my seal will proc or not?

It is quite easy to control your procs and avoid wasting mana/global cooldown. However, the more tense the situation is the harder it becomes to predict SoC's triggering.
When you use SoC and start attacking your enemy with auto-attack you can witness 2 situations:

1. Normal speed attack animation, no special sounds, no special visual effects. (SoC will not trigger)

2. You can see much faster attacking animation, a special sound effect can be heard, a special visual effect appears your target. (SoC will trigger, additional damage will be dealt)

You can basically try your luck and swap your seal immediately after seeing the swing animation or try to predict SoC's proc and make sure you benefit from Seal Twisting. This is how SoC's visual effect looks:

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You can additionally use macros to improve the efficiency of your Seal Twisting by consuming the SoC with Judgement right before it is replaced by the second seal, restoring some of the seal's mana cost and adding more damage. Example macros:

#showtooltip Seal of Command(Rank 6)
/equip Libram of Avengement
/use Judgement
/use Seal of Command(Rank 6)


#showtooltip Seal of Blood(Rank 1)
/equip Libram of Avengement
/use Judgement
/use Seal of Blood(Rank 1)


#showtooltip Seal of Justice(Rank 2)
/equip Libram of Avengement
/use Judgement
/use Seal of Justice(Rank 2)

Blood Elves are the most lucky ones when it comes to Seal Twisting because of the Seal of Blood which is available only to them. The combination of SoC + SoB creates an opportunity to do some high burst damage. This is how it looks when you Seal Twist between SoC and SoB properly:

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Attacks done in this 0.5 sec combo (with using Seal + Judgement macro):

1x White Attack
1x Seal of Command proc
2x Seal of Blood procs
1x Judgement of Command effect

You can use Libram of Divine Judgement which is probably better for paladins who don't have Seal of Blood but I recommend to use Libram of Avengement if you Seal Twist using SoC + SoB combination since it guarantees that you will gain a buff no matter what your current Seal was.

Alliance-only Seal of Vengeance doesn't seem to work with Seal Twisting making Hordes benefit more from this strategy. However, Alliance Paladins can combine SoC with SoJ to get some additional stuns and interrupts. This is how it looks:

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Attacks done in this 0.5 sec combo (with using Seal + Judgement macro):

1x White Attack
1x Seal of Command proc
1x Seal of Justice stun effect
1x Judgement of Command effect

Important notes

-SoC cannot proc off Crusader strike, while SoB can
-Windfury Totem effect significantly empowers your Seal Twisting
-SoC has a chance to proc (using slow weapons makes your SoC more likely to trigger)
-SoB has 100% chance to deal damage when you attack your enemy with auto-attack or crusader strike, but it consumes some of your HP and deals 2x lower damage than SoC

Some useful addons:

MikScrollingBattleText(MSBT)

I use this addon to display PvP text but is also helpful to understand how Seal Twisting works.

Quartz

This one provides you with an auto-attack/auto-shoot timer.

Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQgu0d2 ... npOuwVtj8g
Sorry for the quality, I don't really have good gaming gear :( If you set the quality to 1080p the numbers should be legible enough for you to read them.

Re: Seal Twisting

Posted: 13 Sep 2014, 18:14
by Exsurgo
Also don't forget to equip PPM (proc per minute) based items and trinkets. SOB and seal twisting drastically increases the proc rate of such items.

My choices :
2 piece T6 for the mana regen (needed for ret)
Tsunami Talisman
Stormherald
Crusader enchant
Stun meta gem

Re: Seal Twisting

Posted: 14 Sep 2014, 11:35
by Horrorfever
Job well done.

Re: Seal Twisting

Posted: 22 Sep 2014, 15:32
by Horrorfever
Thanks Vivka

Re: Seal Twisting

Posted: 22 Sep 2014, 15:56
by Veselin92
Nice topic Bucovsky! Perfecly explained! Its easy to see when Seal of Command is procing, your normal attack is goind faster than normal attack and than there is another swing. Change seals on first and you will benefit from both seals, thats all! Bucovsky keep your cool topics up!
Horrorfever. you are welcome!

Re: Seal Twisting

Posted: 12 Jan 2015, 17:05
by Nazarleokas
Does Seal Twisting stil work? I cant get it done even once since I've been offline for about half year. Can anyone confirm it? If u do, would u mind to leave ur ingame char name behind so i can contact u and have a look? So wierd that I am not able to get it done anymore.. Feels like it's been removed

Re: Seal Twisting

Posted: 12 Jan 2015, 17:40
by RettiMvp
It worked yesterday, just made a topic in Bug report, hope it will get fixed soon. ;)

Nope, not working atm tho.

Re: Seal Twisting

Posted: 12 Jan 2015, 18:37
by Nazarleokas
Thank you for the quick reply. U are my hero

Re: Seal Twisting

Posted: 13 Jan 2015, 22:36
by Nazarleokas
Don't know what the reason is. But the seal twisting is still not fixed. However one of devoloper said that he has fixed the delay time. Maybe there's more than just delay of one spell. Wish Exsurgo will take a look at it.

Re: Seal Twisting

Posted: 13 Jan 2015, 22:41
by Henhouse
Nazarleokas wrote:Don't know what the reason is. But the seal twisting is still not fixed. However one of devoloper said that he has fixed the delay time. Maybe there's more than just delay of one spell. Wish Exsurgo will take a look at it.
When he says he's fixed them, he means they are fixed, but remember we have to actually deploy the fixes and updates. We're trying to be more cautious about it lately because so many have absolutely devastated server stability lately by untimely rollouts.