Smolderforge Support Community

Me and a few of my friends were thinking yesterday and came up with this. Please give some feedback and tell me what you think.

Changes - Season 3 Gear -

Vengeful Shoulders - Rating requirement to be lowered to 1675 and allow the pieces to be purchased for Honor (We were thinking about the same price as the non rated pieces [9435 Honor Points]

Vengeful Chest Piece - Rating requirement lowered to 1650 and allow piece to be purchased by Honor [9435 Honor]

Vengeful Weapons - Reduce Rating requirements from 1850 to 1750 and keep offhand at 1700 [Be purchased at least [25 badges] <= "The reason for this is because this would take at least 4 weeks of points to purchase the actually weapons on top of that have the rating at the same area which the reason why we believe this should be lowered. Which is a fair amount of time due to the fact you can farm the T6 Equivalent with 20 badges

Season 4 (Brutal)

Lower all brutal off pieces to be lowered in arena rating by at least 200 and be able to be purchased by Honor Points [Around 9k]

Now for the fun part..

(Brutal Gladiator)
Gloves - Lowered to 1750 rating and be purchased for [350 arena points]
Chest - Lowered to 1800 rating and be purchased for [400 arena points]
Leggings - Lowered to 1800 rating and be purchased for [400 arena points]
Shoulders - Lowered to 1750 rating and be purchased for [350 arena points]
Helmet - Lowered to 1800 rating and be purchased for [400 arena points]

Weapons
Main Hand Spell Mace // Dagger [450 Arena Points] 1850 Rating
2h Weapons [550 Arena Points] 1850 Rating
Offhand Weapon [100 Arena Points] 1700 Rating
Relics // Wand // Throwing Weapons [8500 Honor Points] 1700 Rating
Gun / Bow / Crossbow [550 Arena Points] 1850 Rating


The reason we believe this should be done is because its pretty impossible to get that high of rating due to the fact there are plenty of people playing with 1500 rating and if you are 1600 you lose about 20 points instantly and can be easily shot down to 1500 in about 5 games. I have played WoW for about 6 years and i just come to say this is probably a idea that would give the players who do not donate more content to work toward and would make PvPing more interesting. At the moment I played for about 2 weeks and have reached max gear that i could possibly get on 1 character and it feels that there is nothing more I can get in gear besides Brutal Gear, if i were to get vengeful it would cost around 4 weeks of arena points just to receive 1 item which does not seem even worth it to be honest just because it is a 1...2.. stat upgrade from the other gear. On top of all of that there is the arena system. On retail WoW people get to play against 8+ other servers which allows alot of people in the same rating to fight each other in the same bracket (EX. 1550 team fights a 1530 team) instead of a 1500 team fighting a 1930 team and if they do lose they would lose about 20-32 points instantly and even to think of getting such a high rating by climbing 8 rating a game at 1700 rating against 1600 teams seems quite impossible for some. At the moment my current team is 63 - 20 and i am at 1630 which makes 0 sense since we are at a 75% win ratio and still at the 1600 rating area and to think we have to be 2000 to get a brutal at least make it a possible area. <-- sorry i will just get to the point i am dragging on. With these changes in rating it would allow people to have more gear which would let more PvP potential on the server

Interesting..... I like where you are coming from because it is hard to get arena points and on top of that hold a arena rating higher than 1600.

Brutal with honor? no.

Its not honor with arena points for the throwing weapon and relic should be honor but what do you think should it cost around 200?

You went too low with the rating requirements

The reason for that is because it is pretty impossible to reach high in the gear some people start with for one and for two if you were to be around 1700 rating you would have a 70-100% win chance with at least 14-40 games played (guessing if you play around 1450-1600 rating people) and if you lose 1 game you lose around 20 points a game if you were to be around 1650+ rating

It's nowhere near impossible to reach higher ratings with S2, you're talking nonsense because you're too bad to do it

Well no need to be all mad but... Try helping out other people. Why should we pay for vengeful when we can just buy brutal and also why is the rating requirement so high just to reach brutal i know it was like that during brutal season on retail but we are on a private server and if you were to make 1 mistake in a arena or fight a counter comp with two seasons on top of you the chances of winning is slim and could lead to huge point losses. Just think about it for a little how can some get 2k if only 15 teams have achieved this on this server. And how many of those 15 teams are not donators.

Brutal requirement is high for a reason. The server needs donate income to stay up but if you go fuck all over that it'll reduce the amount of donations drastically and seeing how s4 is pretty much the only income it would be stupid to go make that too easy to achieve.

It's already available and like Zat has said, if you know how to play your class you shouldn't have problems getting it anyway.

The cost of the brutal and the cost of vengeful makes 0 sense. Why should one buy vengeful when it cost the same exact as brutal its unheard of. The reason the server needs this change is because how can we grind out 2k rating with only 3 people playing daily, without making it look like we are win trading. Every team we fight around 1700 bracket is 1500 rating with full brutal gear and if we do beat them we receive 4-8 points and if we lose we lose around 20-32. Just think about it unless something is changed within the arena point system (Which is probably not possible) maybe changing the brutal and vengeful ratings down and why should we pay for gear lower than brutal. It should be honor or at least if we make the rating free. For example if we were sitting around 1600 rating we are all happy we get 340~ arena points and a piece of gear is about 1500 for a main piece of gear which would take 5 weeks and if we are lets say 1800 rating (The required rating for gear) 500~ points a game which will take around 4 weeks to get one item. I would think a change is required for the vengeful at least to be changed to honor and for brutal to be lowered by a few and on top of that have some sort of arena point change toward it. If you look at the arena stats on this server top 100 ranges from 1769-2133. This shows that the changes above seems logical toward the community if you compare this server to retail at that time gladiator on Battle Group 9 Bloodlust was 2200+ and duelist was 2k which is a 200 rating gap and the shoulders were given at 2k rating. Where I am trying to get to is if 2100 is our top team on smolderforge (rank 1) 1850 sounds like the correct place to put brutal gear and on top of that have the vengeful gear float around 16-17xx rating. The reason why I asked for 1850 rating was because if you played s2-4 what was the 1 rating everyone wanted for the coolest weapons at the time (1850) and for sure this server is harder than retail 100% because of the rating recieved and lost and with the population low on the server we rarely fight people in the same rating on top of that you said "If you know how to play your class you should beable to get it fine" alright i understand but think of it this way all the top 100 teams have at least a 80% + win ratio on the server and how do you expect those who want to push all the way to 2k rating. And it seems dumb that we have no more content to go over after we have reached a dead end such as after ZA and all the badge gear we would have to wait at least 3-6 months just to reach the point makeup to at least buy full brutal on top of that guardian pieces.