Please fix soloq 3s

[Grimjoe]

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[Oldsalt]

Has been answered already.

I understand you're salty after losing a game, but it doesn't mean you can't win with that player or any player under 1.5k
We can't deny most of them are either new to their class or new to arena. That's why it depends on those with a better knowledge on the team to guide those players on what they should do and what they shouldn't.
It takes few seconds before the game and you can also say a word or two during the game, won't handicap you. You can as well mark every player of your team with raid icons or at least the healer.

There are many more ways to improve the quality of a game but when the 2 other players on a game just spend all the preparation time insulting that newbie, they do not realise it will just make them lose the game. He'll be under pressure and won't improve his gameplay.
Of course there are always newbies who believe they're good enough and do not need any advice but that's not a majority.

For your last point, that's called 3s solo queue and we intend to keep it that way. Allowing players to duo queue would make it unfair for the opposite team which won't always be with a duo.

The purpose of 3v solo is to queue with anyone.

[Grimjoe]

[quote="Oldsalt"]
I understand you're salty after losing a game, but it doesn't mean you can't win with that player or any player under 1.5k
We can't deny most of them are either new to their class or new to arena. That's why it depends on those with a better knowledge on the team to guide those players on what they should do and what they shouldn't.
It takes few seconds before the game and you can also say a word or two during the game, won't handicap you. You can as well mark every player of your team with raid icons or at least the healer.

Trust me when I say I fully understand coordinating at the start of the match, this player purely just throws games, I don't know if it's on purpose but for instance, I always attempt to give criticism in a friendly manner by not even criticizing them, I just say "Hey, this time let's do X.", with this player he is just very bad mannered and there are quite a few individuals such as these that will purposefully not try, and thus throw the match for the other 2.

Normally I don't really complain if I get outplayed or if someone isn't super experienced whilst also putting forth effort to want to get better and learn, because I want to win, and I want to win in a fun and friendly environment where at the end we can all say "gg guys" or "wp". I understand that's not going to happen in a large number of cases here, but I at least like to attempt to be friendly rather than be hostile, even when handling hostility to a certain extent, however I will admit I do draw a line where I will just outright write someone off and /ignore and just play and pray they actually want to perform every time they play with me. But it takes a special kind of person to do that.




There are many more ways to improve the quality of a game but when the 2 other players on a game just spend all the preparation time insulting that newbie, they do not realise it will just make them lose the game. He'll be under pressure and won't improve his gameplay.
Of course there are always newbies who believe they're good enough and do not need any advice but that's not a majority.

I've tried on multiple characters multiple multiple multiple etc. games with him to try and be constructive and he just disregarded everything I said from sap target to kill target. If he opened at all. And once again I'm just using him as a prime example of things I experience with some select players, I just feel like there should reach a point where its not okay. But that's my personal opinion on the matter, and I respect yours as well, and I understand it.


For your last point, that's called 3s solo queue and we intend to keep it that way. Allowing players to duo queue would make it unfair for the opposite team which won't always be with a duo.
I understand that, and I respect your decision on it, was just kinda prodding at the topic with a dry joke.

[Grimjoe]

Also, I really find it pretty rude you'd start off your response with "I understand you're salty", especially from an individual with your position. I didn't just make this out of rage, I've made it because It's incredibly frustrating when you're trying to grind out solo 3s, and you have game after game where it's either a ridiculously fast win because someone on the other team leaves/doesn't play, and then requeues, and you get him the next game and so on. I'm doing this in the name of everyone that plays solo 3s, not myself. It's not fun OR fair for either party when someone griefs or trolls soloq 3s in any form. Purposefully playing poorly to lose isn't ok.

I'd argue it's understandably frustrating, and that it should be punished the same as wintrading/griefing 2s and normal 3s is. I've legitimately seen players/teams barred from doing arenas for the remainder of a season because of a 100+ loss 1400 team. It was ages ago but regardless it still stands.

These individuals are not "new" by any caliber, they just aren't mentally equipped to play in solo 3s, and because it harms 5 other players MMR, I believe it should be punishable to some degree. It needs to be addressed in some form at the very least.

[Oldsalt]

I guess salty is the word when you post a screenshot of a specific player being at 1450 rating, as an "evidence" to "fix soloq 3s".
We won't ban someone for being new or bad in arenas so no, they shouldn't be punished. However we ban those who purposely lose/troll in arena if we can gather enough evidences.

[Grimjoe]

I'm pretty sure I suggested players such as himself need to be punished for throwing games, not for "being bad"

I also implied the punishment to be purely the inability to join Solo 3s, just as they'd be disallowed from queueing 2v2 if they did the same in that environment.


Why is Solo 3s not punishable by the same standards as 2v2 when it yields the same rewards, and soloqueue 3v3 is far harder to climb in the ladders. It took me ~90 wins on my warrior to hit 1900 and due to players who queue repeatedly with the intention of >not trying it caused me to repeatedly drop rating and regain it basically flatlining around 1870-1900 for well over 120 wins. I'm not bitching about the system, I volunteered to play in it, but I think it's valid to have a complaint when players intentionally cause me to lose 15+ rating that takes 3-5 wins to regain assuming I'm lucky enough to get 5-7 rating per win.

By >not trying I mean purposefully or otherwise intentionally misplaying to cause a loss, not "They're bad and don't know what to do."
I thought I made this point quite plain in my initial post and my responses, but perhaps I'm being too generous in assuming you actually took the time to read my post thoroughly so I guess I'm at fault for expecting to be taken seriously.

[Oldsalt]

I did read your post thoroughly, the one you deleted. And as I told you or anyone asking, what you suggest is not a good way to deal with the issue you point.
You tried to make a suggestion which has been made and answered already. I took the time to read your post and answer you. To use your own words, am I being too generous here?

Anyway, can you tell me another way to prove that someone is intentionally throwing a game?
- Logs may help, but you need to report the player first and we'll take a look at him (that's already the case).
- Videos of the said player in multiple games.

If you provide us any info we may either talk to the player or warn/ban him if he's more into throwing games rather than being completely new at his class/in arena.

[Grimjoe]

Completely new players shouldn't be in solo 3s either, they should have a time limit to join say 1-2 hours, it's funny there's a 15 minute restriction implimented on the dueling zone, but you can go STRAIGHT to the arena.

[Oldsalt]

The 15 minutes restriction is for arena as well.

[Grimjoe]

I mean 15 minutes doesn't really do anything regardless. Kind of a null point

edit: also we have the same post count, we are now brothers in arms