Bow swap

[Hartun]

Ok, let's start with why dps is irrelevant. Dps stands for damage per second, and it's only EVER relevant if you can bash your target for a prolonged period of time with a decent rotation. The only time this would ever happen in pvp, would be if your opponent was afk (possibly a vegetable), in which case your dps would (yet again) be irrelevant.

Cleave/coordinated bursts/outlasting are the ways to go in pvp, where such things would be relevant (i.e not against afk opponents or in a zerg... or against vegetables). The only other alternative is you losing.

So to answer your question regarding this, since release.

You are absolutely correct about the dps part of the weapon, the crit part of the weapon can be nerfed or even disabled if it breaks the balance that much.

You're perfectly capable of setting up your own server and testing whatever shit you want to test. Google it. If not, too fucking bad.

I am but i don't have that much free time atm for that, this topic was just to express the idea that i had and i wanted to see the opinion of the forum community about it.

The GM's are under no obligation to do anything you say that they "need" to do. And I'd be surprised if anyone would lift a finger when you bring them this piece of shit suggestion, backed up by two shitty links and your overwhelming stupidity.

I didn't say that they NEED to do anything nor will i ever say that, they are volunteering for their position in the server. It's just a suggestion that's why i haven't done the hands on comparison of the two weapons in game hence why i posted it here just too see what ppl are thinking in that regard.

The mere thought of you questioning anyone's intelligence is fucking disgusting. You actually doing it is fucking beyond comprehension.

Do yourself a favor and shut the fuck up.

I'm sorry, who do you think you are in order to be the judging if something's disgusting or not? It's just an small idea, if you don't like it that's your problem because i don't actually know what do you think you're doing commenting and criticizing someones opinions about this server when you don't even actively play here anymore.
About favors, be my guest to move on from the forum spamming job that you do so well.

[Hartun]

Did you factor in arrow DPS to see the real DPS values? Also having damage increase proc (up to 25% mind you) and 50% CRITICAL HIT DAMAGE increase is stupid op.

The arrows can be removed, and the damage increase proc is for melee dps only, the critical hit damage equip bonus can be nerfed easily, the same way that Thoridal got nefed.

[Cube]

You are absolutely correct about the dps part of the weapon, the crit part of the weapon can be nerfed or even disabled if it breaks the balance that much.

You're basically saying that the broken parts of the weapon in an environment outside of TK can be removed if need be. Then why on earth should anyone spend any time in implementing it in the first place? That's just fucking silly. You've literally brought up no reasons at all why this weapon should get introduced. Not to mention that you haven't given your reasons for wanting this weapon introduced.

I am but i don't have that much free time atm for that, this topic was just to express the idea that i had and i wanted to see the opinion of the forum community about it.

You're most likely (and hopefully) the only one around here who thinks this is even close to a decent idea. What reason would anyone have to do this? Why would anyone take their time, when you won't even do it yourself? You don't even take the time to come up with a decent reason for it. This is on top of the fact that dps is (yet again) irrelevant.

I didn't say that they NEED to do anything nor will i ever say that, they are volunteering for their position in the server. It's just a suggestion that's why i haven't done the hands on comparison of the two weapons in game hence why i posted it here just too see what ppl are thinking in that regard.

i asked on the initial post that a GM needs to test its dps.

k

I'm sorry, who do you think you are in order to be the judging if something's disgusting or not? It's just an small idea, if you don't like it that's your problem because i don't actually know what do you think you're doing commenting and criticizing someones opinions about this server when you don't even actively play here anymore.
About favors, be my guest to move on from the forum spamming job that you do so well.

I'm entitled to think whatever the fuck I want about whoever the fuck I want. In this specific situation I'm the guy who got thrown a ridiculous rhetorical question, a question aimed at my intellect, by a fucking imbecile. If you can't handle being called an idiot, I'd suggest shutting the fuck up in the future.

Regarding the favor, I didn't ask for one. I gave you a pro-tip, same as Owl, to save yourself the embarrassment of reflecting your empty fucking head on these forums. Sadly, you seem too fucking dense to get that.

[Hartun]

You've literally brought up no reasons at all why this weapon should get introduced. Not to mention that you haven't given your reasons for wanting this weapon introduced.

Its cos i like how it looks ( too bad it can't be used for transmog ) and the crit gains from it, i know it sacrifices some stats like agility and damage but that comes down to personal preference. Also i think that the physical dmg proc can be useful in some situations and will reduce the limitations of playing hunter vs most of melee classes. Because it's a slower weapon it benefits some hunter specs that i and other players like to play, with that it will make hunters more "respectful" classes.

Regarding the favor, I didn't ask for one. I gave you a pro-tip, same as Owl, to save yourself the embarrassment of reflecting your empty fucking head on these forums. Sadly, you seem too fucking dense to get that.

I didn't ask for a favor also. Do you think that i care about the things that you or anyone else says about me on forums? I can say or comment on whatever i like ( within some limits regarding language ), you can judge me or say whatever you want about me, i don't care, it's a free world.

[Apuclevercow]

it will make hunters more "respectful" classes and [...] will reduce the limitations of playing hunter vs most of melee classes.

Actually, decent hunters neither need it, nor use thori'dal. Moreover they have no issue to win melees: learn to kite.

[Cube]

Its cos i like how it looks ( too bad it can't be used for transmog ) and the crit gains from it, i know it sacrifices some stats like agility and damage but that comes down to personal preference. Also i think that the physical dmg proc can be useful in some situations and will reduce the limitations of playing hunter vs most of melee classes. Because it's a slower weapon it benefits some hunter specs that i and other players like to play, with that it will make hunters more "respectful" classes.

Oh, so you basically just want an even stronger bow than the only legendary 70 weapon currently available on the server? Glad we got that sorted.

Before I start calling you stupid again, let me give you some advice that isn't retarded. If you like the looks of it, why not, instead of posting stupid unrealistic shit, suggest a new weapon for the legendary vendor? This way there may actually be a chance that you can run around with the weapon model that you want.

There. You're fucking dumb. 50% more crit damage and up to 25% (25-fucking-% from ALL physical sources, including your pet) more damage output is obviously "useful in some situations." Regarding the crit rating, I think you can survive without that extra 1,5% crit. If you can't beat melee's as it stands now, 1,5% extra crit isn't going to help you anywhere.

I didn't ask for a favor also. Do you think that i care about the things that you or anyone else says about me on forums? I can say or comment on whatever i like ( within some limits regarding language ), you can judge me or say whatever you want about me, i don't care, it's a free world.

About favors, be my guest to move on from the forum spamming job that you do so well.

k

Stupid. Really, really dumb. Just wow.

[Hartun]

Oh, so you basically just want an even stronger bow than the only legendary 70 weapon currently available on the server? Glad we got that sorted.
There. You're fucking dumb. 50% more crit damage and up to 25% (25-fucking-% from ALL physical sources, including your pet) more damage output is obviously "useful in some situations." Regarding the crit rating, I think you can survive without that extra 1,5% crit. If you can't beat melee's as it stands now, 1,5% extra crit isn't going to help you anywhere.

I understand the thing about the crit dmg, it can be nerfed, i said that several times, the same way that the 15% increasing of attack speed from Thori'dal got removed.

[Cube]

smh

[Zapcraclepop]

The 15% Attack speed was from the quiver, Hartun. Since Thoridal does not and can not use ammo, it shouldn't gain the benefit from a quiver. That's not a nerf, thats a bug that got fixed.

[Hartun]

https://tbc-twinhead.twinstar.cz/?item=34334 my bad