Hand of the Deceiver

[Abwyz]

Because you apparently don't understand damage mechanics. Remove Apolyon, and Warriors hit you for the same damage, it doesn't matter in PvP, PvE is a different story though, as Apolyon is the better choice then. With Deceiver Rogues just deal more damage...
Enlighten me how people are retarded though, when they do fine without it already.

Seriously, priv server arena scrub will teach me about damage mechanics, good joke, I've been playing in world top 30th guild and you want to teach me about game mechanics, roflmao. Anyways, Hand of the Deceiver vs S4 fist is like 20-30 dps increase, Apolyon vs S4 is like 50-60. It won't increase rogues dmg on arenas as much as you think, rly. But Hand of the Deceiver would be nice PVE upgrade do rogues, enh shamans and fury wars.

[Peekaboo]

Seriously, priv server arena scrub will teach me about damage mechanics, good joke, I've been playing in world top 30th guild and you want to teach me about game mechanics, roflmao. Anyways, Hand of the Deceiver vs S4 fist is like 20-30 dps increase, Apolyon vs S4 is like 50-60. It won't increase rogues dmg on arenas as much as you think, rly. But Hand of the Deceiver would be nice PVE upgrade do rogues, enh shamans and fury wars.

That's all you've got? Pulling imbecile insults out of you buttocks and bragging with something which even was irrelevant when it actually was endgame content? Congratulations on being the 29th loser I guess, you're the man.
Are you that much of a desperate 12 year old who's crying like a bitch because he doesn't get what he wants?
Now THAT'S one epic joke... I'm sold.

Of course there isn't a difference when you get a flat DPS increase with the very same attack speed, compared to current choices... you know what. Cry some more, the joke's on you.

[Abwyz]

Dude, I am just saying that adding Hand of the Deceiver wouldn't make anything special to arenas, and math proves it.

[Akatosh]

This pointless arguing is distracting people from the real issue that this topic represents. The real problem is the fact that there are certain best in slot sunwell items that are currently more or less unobtainable. Is it fair that people have these best in slot items for no other other reason besides the fact that they played when they dropped from SC and Za which are SIGNIFICANTLY easier than sunwell. Some of the patterns such as The Hard Khorium Choker and the Gloves of the Immortal Dusk no longer drop at all from sunwel which means they are impossible to get. Many items such as the sunwell helmets, weapons and rings that are missing from the donor mall drop from Kil'Jaeden and mu'ru which essentially makes them unobtainable on this server as those bosses require tactics and effort that are beyond what people are willing to put into a private server. Another problem is the fact that there is a large amount of inconsistency in regards to which items were added to the donor mall. Some classes got all of their spec/class loot while others only got a few pieces. There seems to be no rhyme or reason to the loot that is missing.

[Peekaboo]

Dude, I am just saying that adding Hand of the Deceiver wouldn't make anything special to arenas, and math proves it.

Oh I'm sorry, your math was too well hidden in your pointless wall of crap. But go ahead, and give me an example of your science... =p Gotta see that...

[Abwyz]

Dude, I am just saying that adding Hand of the Deceiver wouldn't make anything special to arenas, and math proves it.

Oh I'm sorry, your math was too well hidden in your pointless wall of crap. But go ahead, and give me an example of your science... =p Gotta see that...

As I said, DPS increase for changing S4 to HotD is about 20-30 and that wont make anything to arena balance.

[Peekaboo]

Considering that you spam Hemo like a boss, it's not normalized and benefits from a further 10%... you're wrong.

PS.: That's not math... not proven, cya, try that with Apolyon vs Brutal though, you'd be surprised... and to stay on topic, just remove everything, it doesn't change warriors at all, you still cry, everyone is happy.

[Abwyz]

Considering that you spam Hemo like a boss, it's not normalized and benefits from a further 10%... you're wrong.

Uhm, I think that I don't understand how spamming Hemo would make HotD op item.

[Peekaboo]

It increases damage even more? But who am I telling this... you are in the 30th best guild of your hood, whatever, DPSing target dummies is serious business.

[Abwyz]

It increases damage even more? But who am I telling this... you are in the 30th best guild of your hood, whatever, DPSing target dummies is serious business.

You still don't understand the most important thing. :(
Hand of the Deceiver is only 20 dps over S4, and if Hemo hits for 135% weapon dmg difference is still very small, like very very.