Hand of the Deceiver

[Aegrotatio]

Hm, a 20 DPS buff for an already op class, why ?
Though that Apolyon is buyable is a good point for it.

Apolyon is buyable. I HONESTLY don't understand why this isn't an "end of argument" kinda deal. Same equiv weapon.

And where the hell is my HoS? :P

[srs]

Hm, a 20 DPS buff for an already op class, why ?
Though that Apolyon is buyable is a good point for it.

Apolyon is buyable. I HONESTLY don't understand why this isn't an "end of argument" kinda deal. Same equiv weapon.

And where the hell is my HoS? :P

Because Apolyon is a nice buff for warrs, who are pretty op too, so why not giving the rogs same chances ?

Removing it from vendor would be an option too of course.

[Firstaidkit]

Hm, a 20 DPS buff for an already op class, why ?
Though that Apolyon is buyable is a good point for it.

Apolyon is buyable. I HONESTLY don't understand why this isn't an "end of argument" kinda deal. Same equiv weapon.

And where the hell is my HoS? :P

Because Apolyon is a nice buff for warrs, who are pretty op too, so why not giving the rogs same chances ?

Removing it from vendor would be an option too of course.

Brutal sword is better then Apolyon for warriors. And rogues are OP enough in TBC.

[Peekaboo]

Apolyon is on-par with Brutal, just depends if you need +hit. Other than that it's DPS versus resilience, nothing else (unless you use Slam, Brutal is the better choice then).

Hand of the Deceiver is just a plain upgrade to anything else currently available, as it not only increases DPS, but also burst damage (the latter being irrelevant when comparing Brutal to Apolyon, except when using Slam). I'm not trying to argue that Apolyon should stay, it's just wrong to compare it to Hand of the Deceiver.

[Abwyz]

Apolyon is on-par with Brutal, just depends if you need +hit. Other than that it's DPS versus resilience, nothing else (unless you use Slam, Brutal is the better choice then).

Hand of the Deceiver is just a plain upgrade to anything else currently available, as it not only increases DPS, but also burst damage (the latter being irrelevant when comparing Brutal to Apolyon, except when using Slam). I'm not trying to argue that Apolyon should stay, it's just wrong to compare it to Hand of the Deceiver.

Hand of the Deceiver is as well DPS versus resilence, so why it is wrong to compare it? Also, how it was on retail? Even through rogues had this weapon or even glaives they were losing to warrior/druid combo, so why not add it? I just don't understand, this weapon isn't any OP and people who thinks so are just retards who lose due to lack of skill.

[srs2]

Hm...

http://www.wowhead.com/item=34247/apoly ... oul-render
http://www.wowhead.com/item=35015/bruta ... greatsword

Seems better without sockets already for me. (Dont forget the +haste and the already faster speed)
Somebody with s4 should be easy hitcapped without s4 sword with rings and 1-2pve pieces.


http://www.wowhead.com/item=34331/hand-of-the-deceiver
http://www.wowhead.com/item=35101/bruta ... ors-slicer

Obvious better then s4 too but with yellow sockets that are better for pve.

So while I agree that its a bigger buff for rogs than for warrs but both weps are pretty op already and when 1 is buyable from vendor, why not the other. (I´d prefer both were just drops from KJ or buyable for crazy amount of bojs 250-500)

ps: Making new acc cuz I forgot the pass for other ._.

[Akatosh]

The entire oppositions argument goes out the window when the simple fact is, a few people do have Hand of the Deceiver. This picture was taken on August 16th so I'm not sure if the item has since been removed. BTW thats Cloak of Unforgivable sin, Gloves of the Immortal Dusk and Hard Khorium Choker (iirc). Does noone think it's a little unfair that some people have items that are currently realistically unobtainable simply because they played back when you could get these items from ZA and SC. It's not like these items are cosmetic either, the four i listed are best in slot and are unobtainable as of now.

[srs2]

Armpen O.O

Noticed that clock and ring on some people too, made me sad and bit jelly :I
Gloves arent worth it as rog because of the arena set bonus though.

[Abwyz]

Looks like now you can donate for single items, since this guy on photo said he paid 10$ and got KJs staff. I hope it is possible for Hand of the Deceiver too.

[Peekaboo]

Hand of the Deceiver is as well DPS versus resilence, so why it is wrong to compare it? Also, how it was on retail? Even through rogues had this weapon or even glaives they were losing to warrior/druid combo, so why not add it? I just don't understand, this weapon isn't any OP and people who thinks so are just retards who lose due to lack of skill.

Because you apparently don't understand damage mechanics. Remove Apolyon, and Warriors hit you for the same damage, it doesn't matter in PvP, PvE is a different story though, as Apolyon is the better choice then. With Deceiver Rogues just deal more damage...
Enlighten me how people are retarded though, when they do fine without it already.

Cool story for telling me that on retail Rogues lost to Warrior/Druid combo. Onyxia deep breaths more now, kite her in Vael's room.

PS.: Report those guys with KJ weapons (not buyable in the mall), that's fishy. Everything except shoulders/weapons is fine though, as it used to drop in ZA some months ago, and it didn't get removed.